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Posted: 2013-11-27 23:31
Hello, I joined this site a few days ago and im moving along at a slow pace but i'm happy with progress.
I've read some of the posts on the forum concerning newbies and the correct way to learn CW.
My experience so far has been that instead of counting the dees and daas, I first learned how all the symbols are made and as I listen I now imagine the letters being drawn by the sound. I don't know if this makes sense and if I should continue but I am on lesson 14 and I'm not seeing a reason this can be confusing...any pointers?


Posted: 2013-11-28 10:13
Sometimes a great talent is discovered. I estimate you are one of them when I watch your story and your progress.

When you google K7QO, a retired astro physicer, you will find the the story he tells on his website, about how he learned CW as a kid. In a few days includng a weekend he was on 8 wpm with all characters. I don't know how fast the webmaster of this site learned the code, must about have been the same speed.

It certainly has advantage to learn all the characters at once. But then you have to start exercising with rhe whole set at once, I suppose.


Posted: 2013-11-28 20:52
Thank you, I hope you are right haha. Seriously, I have my difficulties and sometimes hear them wrong, usually the same couple of letters switched up.
I'm not using all the letters in the lessons but I do use them all on the morsemachine, it helps me keep them fresh in my head for when I move on to the next lesson
I decided today since I started on 20/2, I would move up to 25/3 (lesson 19). I'm not really having a problem hearing them so I may speed the effective speed up and practice for speed for a while before I move to more characters.
Thank you again for the encouragement, how long have you been learning CW?



Posted: 2013-11-28 20:54
btw your plain text and word training is very impressive! I hope to get that fast, sooner than later because I doubt I'll have time to put much attention to CW once I start classes again.


Posted: 2013-11-28 22:34
RDX81:

My experience so far has been that instead of counting the dees and daas, I first learned how all the symbols are made and as I listen I now imagine the letters being drawn by the sound. I don't know if this makes sense and if I should continue but I am on lesson 14 and I'm not seeing a reason this can be confusing...any pointers?


Hi RDX,

to me this makes a lot of sense, if you mean this here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia

If you have that (which is quite likely, I believe it is a very common phenomenon and almost everybody has it in one form or another), then it probably depends on how you draw.

Drawing each letter like the minus and dot characters you see on screen is probably a bad idea (e.g. "-.-." for the letter "C", I tried that myself and got stuck very soon!). Whether "drawing" is at all a good idea or not, I cannot tell, because I am still learning myself.

But, at least for the moment, I find it very helpful to translate at least some letters (or letter combinations), at least partially, into optical sensations.

The one which has probably helped me the most is the "drawing" of the letters Y and Q, which have at first given me the largest problems.

How to do it is difficult to explain for me, but the idea is that a "y" has a "comma" at its bottom which points to the left, and a "Q" has a comma which points to the right.

So, when the auditory dit "." bleeps up after (or next to) the left minus "-", I have a visual comma flashing up to the left in my mind, like a fast tiny little fireworks rocket which starts at a place, then moves downward and in a circle to the left (like in the real comma ","). If instead the dit bleeps up next to the "right side" minus, the little rocket shoots in a circle to the right (like the mirror image of a comma). The commas are in motion (they are being drawn very fast and do not appear in complete form right away).

Now I'm not at all sure if that makes sense for you, but at least I hope so, hihi. :-)

Please let me know if you have something similar.



Posted: 2013-11-30 00:52
That Synesthesia looks to me a kind of crosstalk in the brain, due to weak neuron isolation.

When you don't have that cross talk as a handicap which can be used in advantage, (does me think of the SA blade runner Pistorius) , you can introduce it externally, by hitting more senses than the ears alone with Morse code.

I remember there was a discussion on this forum between a US ham and a ham calling himself Digitus or something like that. He was using a light source, a vibrating instrument (pretty cool story) and headphones simultaneously, and demonstrated with his progress graph a sharp bend in his progress since he was applying that 3 input system.


Posted: 2013-11-30 13:02
RDX81:
btw your plain text and word training is very impressive! I hope to get that fast, sooner than later because I doubt I'll have time to put much attention to CW once I start classes again.


No problem, today I do a few exercises (because it is Saturday) but normally only one exercise of 25 words NORMALLY spaced, I don't like to exercise things I don't like to learn (distorted wide spaced Morse code)

When you wide space you exercise sound patterns that don't represent regular Morse code. Better at lower speed Morse code then at higher speed distorted code is my feeling.

So even with college or whatever, everybody can spent a few minutes each day, when you think of not (deny), put your computer in the toilet, then you can do two things at the same time. So only lack of discipline and willpower make you fail, not lack of time.

Plain text exercises at this website, I don't exercise anymore because it are proverbs, of the kind "You can lead your horses to the water, but you can't make them drink." (don't forget the comma and the dot) So they are not really exercises with unknown text.


Posted: 2013-11-30 20:43
I plan on continuing practice daily when classes start, i'll just have to dedicate more time to studies as well, so instead on spending the amount of time i have last week, i'll be spending about 30 minutes a day.

so I've been practicing with the letter speed at 25 and the spacing at 5....I'm trying to move up more every time i can. what is a standard transmit/receive speed?


Posted: 2013-11-30 23:51
There is no standard speed , however n/n is strongly advised, not some wide spacing.

Ham radio straight keys are in general between 12 and 20 wpm.


Posted: 2013-12-01 13:51
pd0ldb:
That Synesthesia looks to me a kind of crosstalk in the brain, due to weak neuron isolation.

When you don't have that cross talk as a handicap which can be used in advantage, (does me think of the SA blade runner Pistorius) , you can introduce it externally, by hitting more senses than the ears alone with Morse code.


Lea,

synesthesia was long thought to be due to "cross-talk". Modern findings largely contradict this and are much more in accordance with my own experiences, that the formation of associations and their recall on other senses is the basis for synesthesia. You can google for the much less known term "ideasthesia", which is slowly starting to replace the old term.

Of course I cannot speak for others, but from my experiences with other people it seems to me that the phenomenon is very common. I myself can switch it on and off (for which reason some definitions do not count this as synesthesia at all), so it is definitely not a handicap for me (although it often isn't really advantageous either).

Let's try an experiment:

TOMAAT!

If you have now, when reading this word, had any, even slight, sensation of red color (or maybe of green or maybe other colors as well), or smelled that typical smell of tomato plants or their fruits (which are very different, by the way), or had a sensation of how it feels to touch the thin hairs of a tomato plant, or tasted the distinct tomato taste (maybe sour, aromatic, or other sensations), or if you have had other associations, like seeing and smelling the wet dark earth the plants grow in... then you are also "handicapped" by "weak neuron isolation".


P.S. I'm still wondering if RDX will clear us up about what he means by "drawing" the characters.



Posted: 2013-12-01 23:28
its fairly simple, i'm just imagining as if when you hear the morse sounds, you imagine the letters being wrote on paper or drawn on canvas, however you want to see it.

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