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Posted: 2012-05-13 16:28
Hi,
I just started training and I got to lesson 2. I find extremely difficult to use 20wpm with an effective speed of also 20wpm (even for the first lesson). Is this rate achievable by beginners? I find it hard to believe that I could ever receive full Morse code at such an insane speed.
Should I reduce the effective speed to some more acceptable speed, like 5wpm, or should I keep trying at 20wpm/20wpm from the very beginning?

Regards,
Nick


Posted: 2012-05-13 16:44
No, you are correct it's very difficult at 20/20. If you are new to CW then try 20/12 or 20/10 then once you get to lesson 40 start increasing the wpm speed again


Posted: 2012-05-13 23:14
The introdduction shows:
The default speed for new users is 20 WpM characters, 10 WpM effective. You may want to reduce the effective speed, but you don't do yourself a favor by reducing the character speed. Keep it above 15 WpM by all means!

This means that 20/5 is OK 20/10 is default,
do not put the 20 below 15.
You go faster through the lessons at 20/5 sometimes better, when 20/10 is frustrating.


Posted: 2012-05-13 23:48
If the character speed is too low you will attempt to recognize all the lines and dots. The right way is to recognize the character as a unique sound. Try the MorseMachine too.


Posted: 2012-05-14 03:53
All advice offered above is wisdom from lessons learned.

A letter speed of 15 or 20 is to be recommended. You want to learn the sound of a letter not the number of dits and dahs. This is critical. Word speed as recommended above by NickF and q8tvm is also wise advice. Start at 15 letter and 12 word speed and then go to 20 letter and 15 word when you start to feel comfortable with the slower speed.

New skills do not develop in a day or over night.

73
KJ4WGU
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Posted: 2012-05-14 15:58
Nothing is too difficult,

Break a job, that SEEMS to be too difficult for you in pieces, called stepstones.

That was the way the USA puts a man on the moon and back to earth, while they were not able to produce stamps with glue that glues.

Master each step stone and take your time for it.

Even my cat was able to learn Morse code this way. Look at www.morsecat.de for a demon startion



Posted: 2012-05-15 15:17
I am on day 3 of my learning and I got to Lesson 2 (only). I decided to learn at 20/7 wpm. Rather than typing on the keyboard, I think it is better to write down the letters (although my writing got bad and sometimes I confuse the letters k m and u). Besides learning Morse,I need to learn how to write again :) If I am careful, I usually can get the three letters at 100% accuracy, although I am not yet confident which letter is which. I sort of have to compare one against the other to be sure which one I am hearing. Had a short go on lesson 3 and it convinced me I am not yet confident even on the three letters I went through. It's quite frustrating, I am happy I don't have to earn a living listening to Morse code :)


Posted: 2012-05-16 19:52
Come on NickF,

How can you compare the first exercises difficulties with a job for lifetime.

When I was young, I wanted to be an officer, that were the ranks that had to say it and were in command.

However I failed the required schoollevel, but RO did require a much lower schooling level, so spending a lifetime as RO and retired amazingly early due to vanishing of the job was the best you could ever obtain with a strongly limited capacity to perform the required schooling for other jobs at the same level.

Just go on the way you did with 4 characters till you don't have problems recognising them fast enough before proceeding to next lesson.


Posted: 2012-05-17 09:46
Hi NickF,

I think it is wise to use paper copy (although I am not sure why you don't use the standard 20/10 speed).
In the first pass of the koch lessons, I connected morse char to my touch typing skills. At the end I was well capable of typing what I heard, but had no clue what was actually sent - no paper- or head copy.
I'm currently redoing the lessons with paper copy and this improves my head copy skills too.

So my advise to anybody is to use paper copy, at least for part of the excersises.

Joep


Posted: 2012-05-17 10:43
Hi Joep, it is good you agree with the pen and paper method. I wish I could read at 20/10 but even with only three letters, I can't go faster than 20/8, and the number of errors increases for me compared to 20/7 (where I still make errors or miss letters). I took a total of 83 exercises doing only lesson 1 and 2 (1 or 2 minutes long) and I just attempted 3 times lesson 3 at 20/7. Current performance of lesson 3 is on average 75%. I am curious if I could ever learn all the letters at 20/10. I will keep practising. If I'll be able to learn all letters at 20/7 in one year, I'd be happy, although I am a bit skeptical.

Regards,
Nick


Posted: 2012-05-17 10:53
Hi Test User,
I am glad it worked well for you. When I was in the army, I would have been very happy to have learnt Morse, but instead I was assigned at artillery.

Regards,
Nick


Posted: 2012-05-17 15:06
NickF
When I was in the army, as duty, they asked after you served your time: "Anybody objection against demobiliizing". Guys laughing, who could. However they should. Especially the artillery guys, because they all get hearing problems at middle age. And the guys at the airforce that were in a closed hangar cleaning motorparts in tri
(C Cl 4) walked then aleady like a drunk, and finished all with brain detoriation.


Posted: 2012-05-19 12:36
Hi NickF
I can relate to your problems and doubts.
I am on lesson 9 now, and sometimes it s*cks and sometimes I get 100%. Keep prectising.
The error I make is -I think- that I stay at 15/7.
Maybe I must go to 20/7 or 20/10 before going to the next lesson.
Going slow for the actual character made me memorize dashes and dots, which took time to unlear that....
Keep the faith !

73
Kees
PA3KVE


Posted: 2012-05-22 02:25
jsuijs:
Hi NickF,

I think it is wise to use paper copy (although I am not sure why you don't use the standard 20/10 speed).
In the first pass of the koch lessons, I connected morse char to my touch typing skills. At the end I was well capable of typing what I heard, but had no clue what was actually sent - no paper- or head copy.
I'm currently redoing the lessons with paper copy and this improves my head copy skills too.

So my advise to anybody is to use paper copy, at least for part of the excersises.

Joep


Hya Joep

Your reply is interesting because, this advice, I have heard here in the forum before. Presently, relying on my typing skills is the way by which I have decided to manage learning CW. However, it has been taken on board, that also learning to write CW down is also a very important part of practical everyday CW too. At this moment in time, just learning CW, which is facet of practical everyday CW skills is the priority. To become proficient in CW undoubtedly takes time and practice like any other skill. As in any other learning process, in the begining you need to take for granted certain elements in order to make progress and aid your later developmet of the skill in question.

Therefore, it is obvious that at some future point, I will have to return to hard copy. But, using hard copy, I also have many, many years of experiance. For example, sometimes, I have written continously for 60 minutes whilst my fingures ached and, later looked through my notes and, not recognised anything! This is similar to your experiance with learning morse by depending on your typing skills. But, by us both using this method we are providing a foundation or framework in our brains to enhance our skills at some other time in the future, unless we can time travel.

Being human, often, we must use illusions to help us see and learn the truth. An illusion to one person might be anothers truth.





Posted: 2012-05-23 00:54
I'm not very far along with the lessons myself, but I've studied several "difficult" languages in college. I've been trying to apply the same concepts here.

So far I've had a lot of luck slowing things down to 15/7, then bump it to 20/7, then 20/10. Sometimes I get mixed up with certain character combinations, but I've used the Code Groups with a custom character set to pick through my problem spots. I also spend some time just listening and decoding in my head, then do some with touch typing, and then some on paper. I also use the morse machine to warm up with.

Aside from the website, I tap out the characters I know when I have down time doing other things. The idea is to make it second nature and not a mental process that I need to be conscious of.

I'll let you know how well it works out for me as I progress further, but I'm fairly confident that the variety exercises will work out well.

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