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Thread: How long is the average time to learn cw

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Posted: 2010-09-07 21:42
How long is the average time to learn cw lets say 15wpm ?
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Posted: 2010-09-08 00:18
43 days


Posted: 2010-09-08 23:25
how many hours daily?
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Posted: 2010-09-09 09:59
Some are fast learners, others take longer.

From the feedback I got from LCWO users, I know that there are some who, without any prior knowledge of Morse code, went through all 40 lessons and finished with almost perfect scores at 20wpm after as little as a month, with just some short (15 minutes or so) trainig sessions each day.

But there are also some people who need significantly more time, sometimes as much as 3 or 4 months, even if they practice regularly.

The most common problem is that people start with high ambitions but quickly give it up, when they encounter some frustration with new characters.

Don't overdo things. Practice in short sessions of maybe 15 minutes, but regularly. Between the normal lessons, some practice with the MorseMachine may help to increase your motivation.

Good luck!

73
Fabian


Posted: 2010-09-09 13:22
thanx! i guess i l have to find out myself!!
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Posted: 2010-09-09 16:51
jaytsyros:
thanx! i guess i l have to find out myself!!


Well I can help a little bit:
Advance ONLY to the next lesson (#3 in your case) if your score is over 90 %

You can roughly calculate that in your case when in 6 month since signing up you did 20 exercises and are advanced to lesson 2
that you will probably need 400 exercises in 10 years.



Posted: 2010-09-10 02:27
who's in hurry??!


Posted: 2010-09-10 16:31
Is it good practice to go back to the previous lesson if the score keeps staying under 90% for a long time?
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Posted: 2010-09-10 20:39
Hi Jay,

NO, NO, NO! Do not go back, always work forward. Even if you were at 70 percent in that particular lesson and can't seem to get over the hump with those letters, it's best to move forward and eventually those letters will work themselves out. That 90 percent figure is just that, it's just a number that has been proven by some of the best in the world that have tested the system and are successful.

You will probably go back to that lesson later and work on it but DO NOT let any one particular lesson hold you back.

GL es KG!

Craig, AH8DX



Posted: 2010-09-10 21:34
I find it difficult also when droping from 20wpm to 10wpm! Different tempo! Well i guess practice is the one and only way!
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Posted: 2010-09-10 23:18
C'mon now Jay!

Stop messing around.

If you are to waste my valuable time in giving good constructive advice, you must apply yourself and make a commitment that you are going to learn the code practicing daily and do it in a timely fashion.

Find a speed (15 wpm or so) and stick with it until you have learned all.

Do not adjust up or down until you have learned all.

Again, stop messing around and just do it.

GL,

Craig, AH8DX
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Posted: 2010-09-11 01:06
AH8DX:
C'mon now Jay!

Stop messing around.

...
Craig, AH8DX


Right! We are watching jay
http://tinyurl.com/2aj7qrj



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Posted: 2010-09-11 03:59
Hi!

Yes, our eye's are on him. He better be on his best behavior and start performing or he will not get any more professional advice from us..

Glad you are doing well.

Craig, AH8DX
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Posted: 2010-09-12 07:44
I finally got back home from working a 70 hour week and had a little bit of time to take a look at Jay's graph and make a few comments or observations.

Firstly, before I even took a look at his graph, I was anticipating to see very few attempts based on info within this thread but what I found is that Jay has been making attempts and has over 70.

He has been a member here since mid March of this year and like I said if he praticed every day with some attempts, that number of course would be considerably more...

but I do have to give him credit because it shows that he is willing to learn. He just needs a GAME plan and that game plan needs to include the word (daily) and not just the word (practice) but (constructive practice).

You can see that he started out like gang-busters and really was on a good role with his first (2) lessons and without knowing what time frame he did that in, I can almost be assured he was probably doing one lesson per week or so and that is why the graph is a good one in the beginning but then he started to (MESS AROUND) and now is in a (funk) not practicing often just once and awhile and staying on the same lesson. In lesson 3, his graph is not a good one but it does show that he is working.

I now see from that peak at the end of lesson 3 and when he started 4 that it was close to that 90% figure so this tells me that he indeed was taking that 90% accomplishment of lessons literaly before moving on.

If there's anything that can be learned from this; it is to not spend too much time on any one lesson.

All you are doing is torturing your brain.

Keep in mind that when you first learn the sounds of each character that your brain is like a blank piece of white paper with nothing on it and when you start learning a letter or number, you are embedding that character into your brain and each time you hear that character, you are embedding it further and further until eventially it is nice and seated properly.

This is how a good foundation is put in place.

This is why above, I suggested to find a learning speed (for some it's 15wpm or so and some 20wpm is productive), but once you decide which it is, it is best to not deviate until you have learned every character.

When I was a kid in the 1970's learning the code, I remember taking a piece of light sand paper and each time a character was sent, I would take my index finger and write out the character on the sand paper until eventually I engrained every character into my brain.

...but then I decided to take 35 years off from cw and re-start again here in 2010.

Go figure?

73,

Craig, AH8DX


Posted: 2010-09-12 15:22
Hi Craig! Thanx for your comments. The truth is that i created my account 6 months ago but it was only one week ago that i really started practice. There was some university issues and a summer between but now hopefully I will continue till i master all the characters. I ll stick to 20wpm i think , i guess it ll take more time but once mastered you ready to go for cw qso's. I dont even have a ham licence yet cause I live on a small Greek island and there are not enough candidates for exams to take place so for now i make some qso's off the amateur bands. But CW is really exciting! I mean you can work the world with qrp power and moderate propagation!
By the way morse machine is really good between lessons , it helps clear your mind and dont mess up the characters.
Well that's all for now. talk soon!
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Posted: 2010-09-12 18:13
Jay,

FB, I spent my junior year of college one summer on the isle of Paros...great memories.

If you need any help, look up my friend Takis (SV6CZQ).

GL and remember (daily), ok?

If after two weeks of hard work, you feel that you are mixing up letters and struggling, take two days off (Not even a dit) and when you return, you will still feel rusty, but in a short time, you will see your graph peak and that the rest did some good.

73,

Craig, AH8DX


Posted: 2010-09-15 00:36
I feel that i am not learning cw. It's more like a subconscious action that recognizes the character! wohoo! :)
Btw paros island is great! I live in syros isl. north of paros. Life here is awesome but sooner or later university will be over and i ll have to get o job like everyone else!
How can i access other user's statistics graphs?
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Posted: 2010-09-15 01:11
jaytsyros:
wohoo! :)


It is just like touch typing. You read the text to be typed, type it and in the mean time think about other things. It is just the way it ought to be.
After a while you read complete words and type delayed what you hear. That turns out to be easier then typing without delay.

jaytsyros:
How can i access other user's statistics


Just guess the other guys password, log in with the desired user-ID go to home and with the mouse click on his statistics icone. Quit easy.

Time at university is in general afterwards recognised as the best time of your life.



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Posted: 2010-09-15 01:45
jaytsyros:
I feel that i am not learning cw. It's more like a subconscious action that recognizes the character! wohoo! :)


You're on the right track! :)

jaytsyros:
How can i access other user's statistics graphs?


If your password-guessing skills are not very good, you may just access any user's graphs via
e.g. http://lcwo.net/img/koch1.gif (replace 1 with the user's ID on this page, which you can search via the user list).

But this will only show the stats which the user itself last requested. If an user never looks at his own stats, the image is not updated.

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Posted: 2010-09-15 02:50
Jay,

GL with your cw. Please use your valuable time wisely and spend it training your ears to the sound of each character.

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