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Posted: 2022-10-25 00:28
Hi All! After some time of pause and solving problems I came to go ahead ).
I try to force my learning CW. And I really need to find English phrase generator... Where I will have choosing the number of words in a sentence . Does someone knows such generator?


Posted: 2022-10-25 12:27
edit: misread your question


Posted: 2022-10-27 11:33
Hi Tony, and welcome.
I found some results and you might try an Internet Search something like this:

"English phrases with 15 words or less"
I did get some results and you can vary the number used in the search.


Posted: 2022-10-27 14:03
BrucerDucer1:
Hi Tony, and welcome.
I found some results and you might try an Internet Search something like this:



Thanks Bruce.
I meant short phrases. Something like "green apple", "smart person", "fast car". I'm training "head copy" and need sets of several dozen or hundreds of similar phrases to generate code. My English is not native and I rarely use it. So I need very short and simple phrases. Because the translation from English of a long phrase at the same time as the head copy code becomes a difficult challenge)


Posted: 2022-10-28 11:27
If your goal is to prepare yourself to real life on air, "green apple", "smart person", "fast car" won't help much. You need something than can generate a QSO and then check if you can copy correctly.

If you are on Linux, check the program morse-classic by Eric S. Raymond; it comes with a QSO generator (QSO) and an application (morse) that can check if you type along correctly.

https://termbin.com/mi080



Posted: 2022-10-28 15:38
Anyone studying is to be commended for the effort, and I do not mean to be critical of any effort.

I was also thinking that "green apple" etc. or Subject with Adjective or Adverb modifier might be unproductive, but then, in some cases a person might have some private purpose.

However, from my work in tutoring foreign students and native speakers in English Vocabulary Development and Writing also, I have learned that one of the complications in teaching vocabulary etc. is that although Adjectives and Adverbs are used a lot in Fiction, the study of those vocabularies is not so helpful for common conversation.

Students of English often complain that after years of studying English, they have difficulty speaking, and the reason is that they have been taught that the modifier vocabulary consisting of Adjectives and Adverbs is important, but but it just does not work in ordinary conversation.
Many Americans for example, struggle to write coherent paragraphs and essays, because they have been guided in fiction vocabularies at the expense of nonfiction vocabularies. The result is that their attempts to write or speak can be regarded as attempts to put SQUARE PEGS in ROUND HOLES, because the words needed just are not there.

Only some Adjectives and Adverbs are used in most conversation. For example, it would be rare for a person in ordinary conversation to explain that they engaged in "exuberant telegraphy" whereas they would probably only say that they "engaged in telegraphy". In that regard, I wonder if the modifiers are more of an obstacle than an asset.
Of course, another understanding might be that all study in different ways can also develop skill.
We might well ask if the majority of CW is intended for brevity, with short, concise messages, rather than more akin to an extended literary effort?
My own intentions are to work within the spectrum of words like found in the search like:

"QRZ Forums" + "300 Most Common Words"
All the same, I would not propose discouraging anyone from studying whatever they prefer.






Posted: 2022-10-29 12:43
We haven't heard back from the OP, but if the goal is just generate random English words, this is trivial on Linux/Unix and with a simple shell command. Here we go:

$ shuf -n 10 /usr/share/dict/american-english
divergences
unquestionable
deflecting
frolics
Allison
distrustfully
washboard
beatific
beleaguer
washbasin


Posted: 2022-10-29 12:47
More dictionaries here:
http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/aspell/dict/0index.html


Posted: 2022-10-30 15:09

I have used:

Random Word Generator - Random Generator
(random-generator.net)
...and have used searches for

"50 Sequences of 50 Random Words" and edit the results like so for pasting in the LCWO.net
"Convert Text To CW" feature

1

many treated skin newspaper.
consonant national exactly.
lay vertical even directly.
little bill structure voyage.
thin telephone among warn.
cup ground deer electricity.
learn poem fireplace.


2
brick none about wear.
grade generally slave.
specific die ground.
managed whispered.
particles design nobody.
pot easily setting sister.
chair struck built.
depend process.


3
attention porch greatly.
egg river peace invented.
mix exchange sink.
president gently glass.
respect camera storm.
older bound himself.
classroom instrument.
equal continent driven.
create.


4
gentle fish hand might.
toy metal news so explanation.
between cover art bend.
luck coffee rise got shop.
halfway several recall.
string captured for board.
border nearer straight.
next lot tool.


5
shorter apart already alphabet.
rays shells later catch when.
known equally common realize.
diagram older duck planned.
sold block beyond wear.
born shadow highway.
worth congress.

5
train neighborhood angle.
me ride remain pony two.
once wheat planet selection.
thumb about too everybody.
plates settlers business.
doubt piece hungry rush.
pale year coming allow thin


6
stopped metal dig ago.
die oil continued cover.
sea stairs women youth.
stock north storm hurry.
division middle branch.
sing division cow cut full.
worker solution meat pig.
year.

7
handsome rhyme nails.
tin right mark field price.
cap fourth hunter thousand.
fed market he highest buy.



8
officer hearing both citizen.
movie avoid would shake.
number weight accept.
magic fence doing riding.




9
immediately instead material.
north carried notice want.
lion held smile darkness.
valuable tide list trail.
according object long.
within television pine.
nearer scientist morning.
cap fall note farm.

10
grew shoe choice object.
chosen dark place bat.
thumb traffic older younger.
help known bad spirit.
around ocean arrangement.
bit constantly like pick.
dress ice his obtain.
human box blow.

11
weight nine rather slave.
fall magnet introduced.
grow writing team tales.
eaten mean mother cut.
highway history in get.
noise car completely.
chief dish let skin.
younger belt sheet finish.

12
popular smaller sudden.
long nine heard call.
particles suggest mighty.
tropical cup solar collect.
plate diagram form gate.
worth speed south.
comfortable method.
between direction cattle.
loose.


Posted: 2022-10-30 19:36
Thanks everyone for the advice. Here I would like to explain a little.
Now I'm training head copy with word sets and sentences generated on the site.
https://morsecode.world/international/trainer/words.html .
This works great but is a bit boring. Because I listen to a stream of hundreds of words for an hour a day. Having no associated meaning between them.
On that site there is an option to download generated English sentences. These sentences are sometimes too long for a quick translation during head copy.
And at the same time, random phrases such as - a "square apple" will not make the my head copy and translation easier ). I meant the generator of short phrases with meaning .
At the same time, of course, I study QSO abbreviations. And listening to QSO samples. But for me this is a separate exercise with its own difficulties.


Posted: 2022-10-30 21:16
Tony, personally, I find your interest to be very creative in approach.

I wonder if it will be more likely to find complete sentences / meaning, rather than only phrasing with meaning?
There are websites which generate up to a hundred sentences and more at a time, based upon the need for a single word in a sentence. Consider if you will, the following, wherein you can insert a single word, and get many, many sentences. Go to: (online)

https://www.wordhippo.com/

Look for the menu in the center titled "sentences"

Regarding the link below, I show a link for sentences using the Verb "transmit".
.
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/sentences-with-the-word/transmit.html

Also, in the Sentence menu, I inserted the Noun "telegraphy".

Just in case you are interested OM.

Also, if a student of telegraphy wants to work with repetitions of certain letters or combinations of letters to overcome difficulties, there can be other lessons like this sort of thing:

.https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/starting-with/10-letter-words-tele.html

So all kinds of interesting arrangements can be found with searches. Like:

Words starting with Z or "im" or "anti" or "post" or words starting with "con" or "mis" or
ex or photo or phono...etc.

.


.

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Posted: 2022-10-31 12:31
The above mentioned program QSO can generate entire QSOs, not just QSO abbreviations:

$ QSO
KC6TDR de WB2CJL
QTH is Sapulpa, South Carolina.
Your RST is 577/577.
My transceiver is a Hallicrafters SR150.
It runs 20 watts into a 5 band vertical.
The WX is drizzling and the temp is 60 degrees.
Is your state the one that has a unicameral legislature?
Sarah here.
I have been a Novice class ham for 2 years.
QSA 4
QRK WA8ZGO?
I am 54 years old.
I am a writer.
+ %
KC6TDR de WB2CJL



$ QSO
WA1UXA de WA5RPF
Your RST is 579/579.
My name is Betty.
QTH is Mountain View, Michigan.
QRU
My rig runs 40 watts into a zepp up 189 1/2 feet.
WX is chinook winds and the temp is 50 degrees.
I am a petroleum engineer.
I am 18 years old.
QRV
QRI 2?
I have been a Tech plus class ham for 6 years.
+ %
WA1UXA de WA5RPF


If you find it difficult to install/run that program, I can make a long list and post the attachment here.


Posted: 2022-10-31 16:23
Addendum: with a simple shell script, you can split these sentences in smaller units, but again, you need to tell us what operating system you use. I can only help with simple shell scripts.


Posted: 2022-11-02 08:22
oc:
Addendum: with a simple shell script, you can split these sentences in smaller units, but again, you need to tell us what operating system you use. I can only help with simple shell scripts.

Thank. I am uses both OS . MacOS and Win. I will try to use this program . Head copy QSO is not easy task. Now I only copy 5-7 letters word at 20 wpm . And try to copy 2-3 word sentences.



Posted: 2022-11-02 15:43
You can install morse/QSO with homebrew on the Mac and possibly on Windows through the Ubuntu subsystem for Windows on the Windows store. Probably you need to use morseALSA instead of morse.

Shell scripts should work on both OS'es, natively on the Mac and with the Ubuntu susbysistem on Windows.


Posted: 2022-11-02 16:47
Great material oc.


Posted: 2022-11-04 12:30
BrucerDucer1:
Great material oc.


If I wasn't the unproductive nutter that I am (example: Yesterday I managed to screw my laptop just before I had to show some important data to somebody in charge. Fixed today), I'd have a million projects in the field of ham radio. I still need to finish my morse-over-ip project that I started 2 years ago. Then I want to make a super lite version of LCWO, und so weiter...


Posted: 2022-11-05 13:20
...well oc, you are doing a fine job here, and that is for sure and certain.
There used to be a funny cartoon ("Gilbert" I think it was. It showed a presenter in some corporate conference room, and it always makes me laugh when thinking of it.
The presenter is pointing to a chart to explain something to the employees and sales staff. It was a comparison of Brains between
the company sales staff, their main competition, and ...beavers.
The chart showed 3 pictures of "brains" in each company, and it was shown with the images of 3 different brain sizes.

The first picture was a brain representing the size of the competition's IQ. It showed a normal sized human brain.
The second picture showed a Beaver's brain, and it was maybe about 4 centimeters in size.
The third picture represented as "You" showed the sales staff's IQ in comparison, and it was about the size of a "pea".

I always chuckle about that cartoon when I begin thinking about myself as an "unproductive nutter" in some fashion.
Anyway, never mind. Your brain size is up there with the best of them.




Posted: 2022-11-06 15:43
Morse Code Ninja (YouTube or website) has a button for Sentences which lets the user pick 2, 3, 4.. word sentences.


Posted: 2022-11-09 10:59
https://www.youtube.com/c/KurtZoglmann
Morse Code / Morse Code Ninja
Very helpful information Bill.
On YouTube, the 15 WPM was not difficult to follow. I remember several years ago when I thought that 15 WPM was an insanely impossible speed to practice with. Now, I can do it.
I think often that there may be an "odd strategy" involved for beginners (Big Inners?). It is something like deciding never to quit or give up, and that may involve something about not caring about "having feelings" about the activity. I think often that people hope for some kind of a "feeling" that will motivate them and create a driving enthusiasm. In my case, I felt nothing at all in the way of motivation or enthusiasm. It was mostly a matter of deciding to "just do something" and to continue "just doing it" in the absence of some powerful feeling of inspiration. Perhaps that is uncommon, but that kind of approach has enabled me to continue with a number of different activities rather than being discouraged.

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