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Thread: From understanding letters to understanding words

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Posted: 2022-07-06 04:51
Hi All!

Really enjoying learning Morse so far. I've got a good understanding of all the letters thanks to this amazing website. I've gone through numbers and characters too, but they're less important to me ATM.

I've moved on from the Koch course to practicing words. I am reasonably comfortable at about 12wpm effective speed with 20wpm character speed. I usually get the words on my first attempt.

I can see an issue on the horizon though that I won't be able to keep up as I increase effective speed with my current method which is converting what I hear character by character. Plus the longer words get I struggle to keep all the characters in my head requiring me to either repeat the message or fill in the blanks based on what I was able to copy down.

I understand I'm supposed to start hearing the words themselves as opposed to the characters but wondering if anybody has a tip to transition to this? As I feel it's the only way i can keep building speed.

Any advice gratefully appreciated!


Posted: 2022-07-06 12:01
This site alone [EDIT: I mean the 40 lessons alone] won't give you "copy behind" skills. I have finished the course at 20/15 and I'm nowhere near copying real-life QSO's on air. I guess copy-behind, that is recognizing words instead of letters, starts at the very least at 22-23 wpm effective. I do word training, 4 letters, and I can start seeing words in my head at about 25 wpm. I do about 1 hour a day of listening on KiwiSDR and for me it's pretty much a cacophony of noises, apart from "cq de", "59" and the occasional callsign.



Posted: 2022-07-06 17:32
Econwatson:

SNIP
I understand I'm supposed to start hearing the words themselves as opposed to the characters but wondering if anybody has a tip to transition to this? As I feel it's the only way i can keep building speed.



well - yes and no


Copy behind isn't actually about decoding whole words . . .

"Whole words" just means more characters - albeit compound ones, which are decoded at the end of the ( compound ) character like any other character.


Whilst for lots of QSOs - most of the content can be pretty similar - you won't learn every word you will hear.


Copy behind is where you somehow subconsciously automagically remember the morse sequence
and
decoding it char by char ( still without thinking about it ) whilst hearing the next chars in the sequence.


The emphasis here is on subconscious or automatic - you can't easily remember a list of separate morse chars consciously.


Some people automatically subconsciously remember long strings of morse chars before the letters pop into their minds
or sometimes, in the case of commercial operators, they get to the typewriter to start typing out the telegram . . .


Some people report just "hearing" the decoded characters.




All this takes some time and lots of practice and practise. You have been going for under three months . . . you are doing fine.




Decoding whole words, abbrevs or prosigns is inevitable with enough repetition - but not necessary.


Proficiency really involves decoding morse without having to think about it - for "head copy" you need to be thinking about the meaning not the morse code .



So the only tip is:- Decode lots and lots of morse, and let it develop.



Word practise helps you concentrate on meaning whilst practising decoding.

Forget speed.

Don't fall for the "learn morse in a few months" and think that means full professional proficiency.

This is quite a bit of work you've taken on . . .

You can't easily speed it up and there are no short cuts.


It might seem nothing is happening - but learning these "subconscious responses" is very often a slow process . . .


YMMV etc


cb









Posted: 2022-07-07 13:21
Thanks for such a considered and detailed response. I really appreciate it. It sounds like I just need to keep practicing and hoping more of my decoding becomes subconscious giving me a bit more bandwidth.

Such a great hobby, glad I found it.


Posted: 2022-07-09 00:27
Econwatson:

I understand I'm supposed to start hearing the words themselves as opposed to the characters but wondering if anybody has a tip to transition to this? As I feel it's the only way i can keep building speed.

Any advice gratefully appreciated!


Read the pdf on the link:
http://morsecode.nl/20wpm.PDF



Posted: 2022-07-10 02:55
Hello James.

I can also give you my view on things, although Chris have done a superb job here already.

I was exactly like you, in the belief that my aim should be to begin hearing words at some point, instead of just letters. What I realized was that instead of starting to hear words, I just got faster and faster at decoding letters. Even when I am ragchewing at 35-40 wpm now (in Danish), when I think about it, I am still decoding letters, not words. I'm just doing it much faster now, and faster than what I would have believed possible at an earlier stage of my training.

What happens, is that your decoding begins to be automatic, and your decoding is much better when you stop thinking about it. Actually, thinking about your decoding at this point, halts your decoding. And then, sometimes, short words kinda pop up, but I still think the brain is decoding letters, but very fast.


Your concern about long words is only a problem at low speeds. I still have problems with long words below 22wpm (and may even have to write everything down at even lower speeds), but faster is no problem. your brain doesn't have to memorize anymore.


If I were to recognize whole words in my mind, each as an entity, I think it would require much faster code than what I am capable of right now, and to be honest, I wouldn't know how to reach that level. It seems to me, that it would require an enterily different approach to the daily training.

But, don't worry. You will get faster at decoding. It comes naturally by it self, of course helped by pushing your limits a little every day. Aim your focus away from the code, let it happen by itself, and aim your focus towards the meaning and content instead. This applies to receiving, as well as sending. It helps a lot!

Just my little cent....

NB: I started CW 3 and a half years ago on this site (thank you Fabian!).


Posted: 2022-07-10 19:08
One thing to add: real life morse is not like computerised morse. People on air don't seem to use punctuation at all. It's all a flurry of characters that don't make sense to me because I've been listening to years of perfectly formed morse at speeds and spacings that don't exist in real life. Transition from morse tutors to radiotelegraphy is really hard!


Posted: 2022-07-10 21:20
Some software such as G4FON, Precision CW Tutor options to add: QRM, QRN, speed dither, tone dither, QSB (fast and slow), etc.

Yes there's plenty available to humble even the best student.

73


Posted: 2022-07-10 22:15
Better still, is to go on-air as early as possible. A lot of amateurs are willing to QRS, or make more space between words (huge help in the beginning). Just don't be afraid to ask for QRS, or more spacing.

There is a tendency on air though, that many experienced OP, don't space enough between words. In some litterature it is also advised to use 5 dots for spacing between words, and newer litterature says 7 dots between words. I have a really hard time copying with 5 dots, whereas 7 dots is far easier...


Posted: 2022-07-10 23:12
oc:
One thing to add: real life morse is not like computerised morse. People on air don't seem to use punctuation at all. It's all a flurry of characters that don't make sense to me because I've been listening to years of perfectly formed morse at speeds and spacings that don't exist in real life. Transition from morse tutors to radiotelegraphy is really hard!


The BT prosign ( new paragraph/section ) is used ad nauseam on the air.

If you didn't get to procedure signs yet, it sounds like they are using = all the time,
unless you miss one of the "." in which case it sounds like X all over the place

A major annoyance at first is the number of ways of saying thank-you as an abbrev THX THNX TNX TU etc

You can listen out for the most common QSO components:-

TU FER call = U R RST 5NN = OP NAME Dave = QTH london etc

cb


Posted: 2022-07-13 01:13
I don't think anyone should rush into learning CW, they should just keep practicing without worrying too much about results, occasionally try to do an online QSO on the radio and just let things happen naturally. It was like that with me.

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