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Thread: Ham radio and politics

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Posted: 2022-04-07 12:18
Just in this time it is important to keep politics out of ham radio.

ham radio are connections between people all over the world, literally person- to person.

As far as I understand, the recent transformation done by the administrator of this website, in the header of the webpage LCWO is a political statement.

So please go back to the regular O.


Posted: 2022-04-07 13:16
I do not see anything different in the header or anywhere in the website.


Posted: 2022-04-07 15:28
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Posted: 2022-04-07 16:34
I think Fabian can put whatever he likes on his website, it's very much up to him.

The fact he is free to do this is exactly the point.

If anyone doesn't like it then...


Anyway, 'Ham radio' is rather intimatley related to politics - what could be more political than being able to communicate with whomever you like without governmenal intervention?

Also, for all we know, the website has been hacked ;)


Posted: 2022-04-09 16:16
Oh! I get it now. Recently the "Administrator" embellished the letter O in LCWO and turned the O into a Peace Symbol.
At first thought, I do not even know if that actually qualifies as "political" ideology.
Somebody prefers peace to war.
I wonder what political thought can suggest that neighbors with War Symbols on their property are an advantage to any of us.
Also, there can be some political reasoning that leads to an endorsement rather than an objection to the symbol.
It is much easier to operate an amateur radio in a peaceful area than it is in a war zone.
Here is a bit of humor about the subject.

What would people think if they were told that when they took the test for their amateur radio license, that five or six explosive devices were going to be set off, to see of the applicant were capable of communicating in the conditions of war?

When I saw the peace symbol, it looked like a
normative "artistic" expression of some kind. I hardly gave it a moment's thought. One thing I conclude from seeing the Peace Symbol, is that Administrator probably will not be conquering my territory. At least not until the Administrator has taught me all he knows about CW.

And you know, I have never been asked to pay a single cent to obtain the benefits of the website. It is a free website, and certainly, nobody is forcing anyone to use the website.

If any of you guys are pirates, could you just put me in a lifeboat and give me a compass before the mutiny begins?

[By the way, I am a U. S. Marine Corps veteran of the Vietnam War. I was stationed just 6 miles below the Demilitarized Zone separating South Vietnam from North Vietnam. My best friend on base was blown in half by a NVA 140mm rocket.
A peace symbol is not an offensive "political" symbol. It just means that someone wishes there was peace.] Anyone disagreeing has not seen me before I have had my morning coffee. Like actor Jack Nicholsson said in the movie, "A Few Good Men" in the closing scene:

"You want me to have that cup of morning coffee!"

ha ha...or something like that is what he said.

PEACE in Morse Code is:
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Posted: 2022-04-09 21:59
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Posted: 2022-04-09 23:57
I'm not sure what Bruce MAY have had on his helmet, but I also know at 18 years old you may have said and did many things that you may not totally think was a good idea at 65+. And of course that's just an opinion. And this thread is also why its recommended why religion and politics are better left for camp fire discussion instead of ham radio. Having the freedom to do something is not the same as having the need to do them.


Posted: 2022-04-10 02:26
"You write "Born to Kill" on your helmet and you wear a peace button. What's that supposed to be, some kind of sick joke?"

Is that addressed to me oc?


Posted: 2022-04-10 02:36
wa2nfn:
I'm not sure what Bruce MAY have had on his helmet, but I also know at 18 years old you may have said and did many things that you may not totally think was a good idea at 65+. And of course that's just an opinion. And this thread is also why its recommended why religion and politics are better left for camp fire discussion instead of ham radio. Having the freedom to do something is not the same as having the need to do them.

The Peace Symbol looks rather "cool" from my vantage point.

By the way Bill, an "opinion" is not something equivalent to what you actually "know". An opinion is only something that you either presuppose or imagine to know. So do not attempt to dictate to me that you know anything about me that I have not offered as information about my person or my experience. When people begin talking about my person, rather that the original subject, I will assure you that I am fully capable of addressing any subject, at any time, and in any context. If I choose to say that I have no objection whatsoever about a "Peace Symbol" used by the Administrator, that is exactly what I will do. If you wish to discredit either my person or the Administrator of the website, you better bring something besides your opinion or your imagination.

If that is the case Bill, are you empowered to decide what the website Administrator writes on the homepage of the website?
Are some of us guests on this website, missing information that others are privy to?
I know this about myself. I have never been authorized to dictate anything whatsoever to the Administrator of the LCWO.net website.
Certainly, by no processes of thought do I have any indication which presupposes that the Administrator should be subject to my opinion.
If the Administrator of the LCWO.net website wishes to use the familiar "Peace Symbol" that is his privilege, and not mine to decide.
As a member of the rank-and-file, I feel justified to thank the Administrator for what has been provided, and I would never prevail upon the Administrator to tolerate if I should criticize his political views or any Administrator's view.
As indicated previously, I pay nothing for the privilege of using this website, so what I owe to the administrator is my sincere THANK YOU!





Posted: 2022-04-10 18:36
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Posted: 2022-04-10 18:37
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Posted: 2022-04-10 19:12
oc:
Somebody here has not watched Full Metal Jacket.

Okay, so I guess suffer from "Movie Deficiency Syndrome" ha ha.




Posted: 2022-04-10 20:17
Oy vey


Posted: 2022-04-10 23:38
Weigh in here Madddasher - Gene:
Seen any good movies lately? OC and I are reviewing some, because there is concern about whether or not Peace Symbols on Helmets can radiate Continuous Waves (CW) what will influence the thinking to a degree that has an undesired effect on the sending and receiving of Morse Code.
Some of the transmissions have become "jumbled up" in my head. Is it true or false? OC knows some of the great movies and I am encouraged to know that somebody here knows about them.

Will there be a mutiny and an overthrow of the Captain of the good ship LCWO.net?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am1tQLIkXnU

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Posted: 2022-04-11 05:48
Thanks Bruce

That's the first time I've come to someone's defense (yours) and then be reamed out by them as if I were the attacker.

73

BTW I never commented about Fabian or his site so I have no clue what stimulated your reply.


Posted: 2022-04-11 12:56
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Posted: 2022-04-11 22:05
Sorry Bill if my remarks were unjustified. I accept your point and admit that I am the South End of a North Bound Horse. I was trained one way, and struggle to learn other ways. When I am certain of an ally, I will not abandon them. When I am confused, I feel as though my back is against a wall, and I do not care how many I have to fight, I will fight them all.
All a sudden, it seemed that people were talking about my experience in the Marine Corps, and remarking about whatever it was that I had written on my helmet.
Neither you nor I, nor OC began this topic and perhaps there can be an understanding that if I see a mildly vigorous defense of my person, I resort to an intensity that is um.... combative?
Events played out just like the threat of a mutiny on an actual sailing ship.
I sometimes react like a cowboy who refuses to join the rustlers because he has sworn to Ride--For--The--Brand. At 19 years old, and in the Marine Corps, I was in uniform at the time when Reverend Martin Luther King was assassinated, and Marines were rioting on the bases in South Vietnam. A year later, there were Marines involved in killing other Marines at Camp Lejeune North Carolina over issues of race.
Many of the things I have seen but had resided deep in memory were perhaps aroused by this demand that the Administrator pull down "his flag". I do not support the surrender of this ship's "flag".
In combat, words that are "less aggressive" and less explicit pass below my radar. Also, it took me a full 24 hours of reflection for me to realize that OC was not offering criticism.
I do not know our Administrator, but if he does something good, I will have his back no matter what. In my experience, everything is one extreme or the other.
So, I will probably have to do a penance for being a bit blind. I am convinced that you are okay, and I am not. I work well in ordered and structured scenarios, when all the chess pieces are in their correct positions. When something is wrong, I probably get even more wrong in a hurry, as I did. So, I submit to your sense of decency and offer my humblest apology.
Perhaps you already know. I am very sorry that I did you wrong. If you will forgive me, I will have your back in all things from now on. I am sorry Bill.
---Tearfully written, Bruce.



Posted: 2022-04-12 23:44
Typically a specimen of PTSS post traumatic stress syndrome.


Posted: 2022-04-13 00:24
I remember, two bothers, one slew the other like bible brothers Kain and Abel, and the agressor shouted out: "Don't hit me, I will stop this fight"

like a German administrator does, after the Germans did in 1940 in the by bombs demolished city of Rotterdam in the Netherlands with thousands of civilian vctims, my country.

Tears welling up in my old face, but I feel urged to represent the damage done in name of my passed family.

A bombardment that demolishes the place completely and left over damage and resentments up to today, where my family and I were victims of. And I the last
opposing, ready to forgive but not in this way.

So my repeated advice is: Do not torn open old wounds of the past by wars, especially not when the entity of your, the administrator, German area were the agressors.

So keep your respected website free of whatever political statements, will be in position of a high aged victim of German politics, the advice of hummble me

didididahdidom


Posted: 2022-04-28 21:11
"Typically a specimen of PTSS post traumatic stress syndrome." Nonagenarian

I feel justified in doubting that you are State-Board Certified to conduct clinical diagnosis of any person in public media. For one thing, that would be a violation of professional ethics.
Furthermore, you have not used your full legal name in the conduct of a public diagnosis. People using "handles" can offer no clinical opinion, which is to say, a medial opinion.
Beyond even that, you have not even named your subject.
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nonagenarian:
I remember, two bothers, one slew the other like bible brothers Kain and Abel, and the agressor shouted out: "Don't hit me, I will stop this fight"

like a German administrator does, after the Germans did in 1940 in the by bombs demolished city of Rotterdam in the Netherlands with thousands of civilian vctims, my country.

Tears welling up in my old face, but I feel urged to represent the damage done in name of my passed family.

A bombardment that demolishes the place completely and left over damage and resentments up to today, where my family and I were victims of. And I the last
opposing, ready to forgive but not in this way.

So my repeated advice is: Do not torn open old wounds of the past by wars, especially not when the entity of your, the administrator, German area were the agressors.

So keep your respected website free of whatever political statements, will be in position of a high aged victim of German politics, the advice of hummble me

didididahdidom
"----Nonagenarian

First, "the Administrator" did not initiate a war. The Peace Symbol is sufficient to serve as evidence of that sentiment.

Second, it is not LCWO.net, which is the appropriate venue to vent sentiment about personal resentments.

Third, the reference to Cain and Abel, which are cited in the biblical book of Genesis, is falsely represented in your claim of a dialogue inclusive of the statement; "Don't hit me, I will stop this fight" That statement is misinformation.

Fourth, all people can claim victimhood in one way or another. However, there is a time and place to introduce deep resentments, and the person who should know this as well as any person would be the person who insists upon maintaining dialogue solely dedicated to "ham radio".

If you wish to conduct accusations against "the Administrator" of the website, it may be well to consider that when "guests" in another man's "house" it is appropriate to show a proper respect.

Most people understand that the past is tragic, and that is why it is more convenient to commit to contemporary affairs and focus on those activities which can improve the world and our own relationships, rather than hurl personal accusations.



Fifth, "the Administrator" of the website is named Fabian Kurz. If you are going to make a personal accusation against the man, you might at least have the courtesy to accuse him by name, and add your own real name for verification.

It is a Morse Code website after all, and if we maintain focus upon that singular fact, all of our communications can be conducted in a better social climate.











Posted: 2022-04-29 11:16
Please keep in mind, that with the click of a mouse, Fabian could shut this website down permanently.

He allows us to use it, for no cost, in the spirit of helping others while expecting nothing in return. Thank you Fabian.

I suggest that this is not a social media forum for political or religious opinions, or keyboard bravery. Lets get back to learning CW for whatever our individual reasons are, and stop trying to criticize others.

73
Kevin


Posted: 2022-04-29 16:07
The very fact of stating that a German national is not allowed to have a political opinion because there is a remote chance that their ancestors were associated with nazism is itself extremely racist and totally unacceptable. If somebody said to me (and it has happened) that I need to shut my mounth because my ancestors were associated with Mussolini (they weren't), I'd punch them in the face (and it has happened).


Posted: 2022-04-29 16:16
oc:
The very fact of stating that a German national is not allowed to have a political opinion because there is a remote chance that their ancestors were associated with nazism is itself extremely racist and totally unacceptable. If somebody said to me (and it has happened) that I need to shut my mounth because my ancestors were associated with Mussolini (they weren't), I'd punch them in the face (and it has happened).




Yes, indeed. Well stated OC. What is equally inappropriate is that Nonagenarian is objecting to "political" communication in the forum, and then launches into -----"political communication".

The "Administrator" of the forum, (Fabian Kurz) is entirely entitled to decorate the website with Peace Symbols or howsoever he wishes. This is his house and we are his guests. There is nothing offensive about that symbol. Everyone should hope for "peace" internationally, and in our communications also. This is not an appropriate venue for "hate speech".
I rather appreciate the sentiments that Fabian Kurz has used to express his hopes and wishes.
How about everyone voice their support of Fabian Kurz at this time? I would back our website provider all the way.


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