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Thread: How am I supposef to type "6"?

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Posted: 2022-01-24 11:13
EDIT: s/supposef/supposed

Question only and exclusively for those of you who would rather type than copy on paper and then type on screen.

I've been stuck for a few weeks at lesson 38 (20/15 as per instructions). I started with 83.65 accuracy, now it's going down to 78.6%. I count the missed characters at the end of the lesson and the culprit is the "6".

Canonically, the "6" should be typed with the right index finger (or the number pad but I don't have it as I'm on a laptop). I just cannot manage to reach that key and my hands are small-ish.

Any touch typists here? Do you use the right or left index?



My recent stats:


38 20 15 78.6 2022-01-23 21:39
38 20 15 78.5 2022-01-23 18:21
38 20 15 78.2 2022-01-22 22:57
38 20 15 74.4 2022-01-22 10:30
38 20 15 80.7 2022-01-21 21:03
38 20 15 81 2022-01-21 17:59
38 20 15 78.3 2022-01-20 22:49
38 20 15 73.5 2022-01-20 20:16
38 20 15 85.1 2022-01-19 22:12
38 20 15 74.6 2022-01-19 18:10
38 20 15 82.4 2022-01-19 10:40
38 20 15 29.6 2022-01-19 10:39
38 20 15 79.8 2022-01-18 19:44
38 20 15 83.3 2022-01-17 23:49
38 20 15 82.2 2022-01-17 17:52
38 20 15 83.6 2022-01-15 19:57


Posted: 2022-01-24 17:45
Hi,

5 and 6 are typed with the left index finger.
I have big hands, but to reach the 6 I must move my hand.
Close your eyes and type
tttttttttt
and than 6666666
ttttt6666tttt6666tttt6666

There are numeric key-pads with USB, but than you have to move the hand from the keyboard. This is only a solution if you enter numbers only.

If you have an accuracy of 83.65 at 20/15 that is outstanding!

There is no instruction, that you must reach 20/15 !
You should only not go under 15 for the character speed!

Learn the last two characters 0 and x, they are easy and prepare to go on air and .... have FUN !

73
Rüdiger
DD5RK


Posted: 2022-01-24 18:28
I have been doing this exclusively from my phone for about 4-5 months. In using the Callsign Training I found that many have a / symbol which is not readily accessible on my phone keyboard so I simply insert a space and before checking result I go back through and insert the / where necessary. Not very elegant but it works.


Posted: 2022-01-24 22:57
Hi,

15 WPM is quite an achievement and means you roughly type 1.25 letters a second. That should give you enough time to reach out for the "6".

Try "typing behind":
Basically you start typing only after you have heard a few characters.
This way you have a little buffer in your head and typing speed is a bit detached from listening. More time to type certain letters like the "6". It's quite fun.
Bonus feature: more time to think about decoding certain letters, or correcting faults in your head before typing.

Remember that some characters are quite short ("e") and some quite long ("j", numbers, signs). Typing behind allows you to type continously with the same speed even if parts of the text have a high effective speed due to many short characters.

Enjoy

Gerd.
Enjoy

Gerd.


Posted: 2022-01-25 09:56
Thanks all for your support. Yes, I know 20/15 is quite hard and I should be happy to have got to where I am, but this is the only lesson where I am going backwards instead of improving. With regarsd to copy behind, I can only do with 2-3 letter words in word training, as long as they are real words not garble like in the lessons.

I can do 24 wpm in word training but that's without numbers and punctuation and at a maximum of 4 letters. With 5+ letters it all becomes very complicated.


Posted: 2022-01-25 14:34
Numers have a lower effective speed than letters. If you can do 24wpm in letters but only 15 in numbers that may indicate that you need to learn the numbers better.

Same for code groups - if you can do groups with 4 but not 5 that indicates again that you can't keep up with the speed and the mess starts toward the end of the group.

You may want to give RufzXP a try www.rufzxp.net
Start call sign training with an eas speed, e.g. 10wpm/50cpm, do a run of 50 call signs and check your max speed.Don't be bothered by the faailure rate - 50% is no problem as Rufzxp pushes the speed to what you can copy and then slows down again.

This would tell you your true effective speed capability of the day.

GL

Gerd.


Posted: 2022-01-25 16:27
df9ts:

You may want to give RufzXP a try www.rufzxp.net


Yes, even if you don't want to try the 'increasing speed' part is is still worth a go (you can make it fixed speed). It makes a change doing things in a slightly different format.

I've also been doing LCWO at 20/15 and I have been using RufzXP (on fixed speed) at 20 wpm as a way of hearing something different.


As mentioned you might have to move you hand to get to the six - I know that when I am typing I can't reach all the keys from a fixed hand position, some movement is always required (even if you are taught to stay near/on the home keys) unless you truly have giant hands!

Also: if you can hear the six and keep trying to type it then you eventually will - your touch typing will catch up with your morse decoding if you keep at it!

If you are really 'up for it' then you could try copy-typing some random groups (six included) as a typing exercise to try and speed yourself along.


Posted: 2022-01-25 18:27
Doesn't callsign training already do what rufzxp does?


Posted: 2022-01-25 21:35
As you wish. RufzXP has a few more tricks up the sleeves.

In LCWO use char speed = effective speed, start slow and check your max speed in a few runs


Posted: 2022-02-04 14:14
Can you post more of those long lists of "stats"?
The ones like
38 20 15 78.6 2022-01-23 21:39
38 20 15 78.5 2022-01-23 18:21
38 20 15 78.2 2022-01-22 22:57
38 20 15 74.4 2022-01-22 10:30
38 20 15 80.7 2022-01-21 21:03
38 20 15 81 2022-01-21 17:59
38 20 15 78.3 2022-01-20 22:49
38 20 15 73.5 2022-01-20 20:16
38 20 15 85.1 2022-01-19 22:12
38 20 15 74.6 2022-01-19 18:10
38 20 15 82.4 2022-01-19 10:40
38 20 15 29.6 2022-01-19 10:39
38 20 15 79.8 2022-01-18 19:44
38 20 15 83.3 2022-01-17 23:49
38 20 15 82.2 2022-01-17 17:52
38 20 15 83.6 2022-01-15 19:57

Those will make good CW practice lessons. Can some more be posted please. Those are great for puting into the Convert Text To CW feature.


Posted: 2022-02-05 10:20
BrucerDucer1:
Can you post more of those long lists of "stats"?


Err... je ne comprends pas.

Anybody should be able to do that from their own stats. Am I missing something? Or are you suggesting thatit would be good practice for me specifically? I can already generate random characters from a shell script. I can post the code if you want.


Posted: 2022-02-05 10:26
Just in case the code is:

gen_text1 ()
{
tr -dc "$1" < /dev/urandom | fold -w 1 | head -n "$2" | paste -sd '�' -
}


Example:

$ gen_text1 "1234567890 " 50
93755703738445558810 66637957513184 78878832082539

This should work with most Unix-like shells, potentially also on Windows/Mac OS.


Posted: 2022-02-05 11:33
Hi Oc:
My request was to everyone. I do not have "stats". I learn best from random lessons that I insert into LCWO's CONVERT TEXT TO CWO feature. The reason is that I often struggle with "lessons" that other people create for others for CW. It seems that I can only learn "one way" and I meet with complete defeat when using another person's way.

Text like "9375570373844555881066637957513184" can be helpful. But the format must be easy to change into a test like this.

#1
93755703738.
44555881066.
637957513184.
5703738445558.
8106663795751.

There are some random character generators, but their formatting is difficult to convert to the 4 line example that I mentioned.

For example Lists of random words in a format like this :

1 get 2 make 3 send
4 deny 5 confiscate 6 order

Those formats of "random text" require hours of editing to convert to a cw practice lesson like this:

519 - / ? , = +
thrill, therm, j neutralize, wz thong.
proportionately long expel, arms .
throw, = threw, - thatch, b xw1536 .
possessing a, qua fortify 1935 j .

520 - / ? , = +
bath, ff, ?? earth, - gw with .
for their trust ll courageous .
both, path, bxj, -- myth b q .
girth, + - jgw - depth, / sloth - .

521 - / ? , = +
moth, - wxz methodology .
wrath, j j health,--- q south .
north, /// death, bb - worth .
4 3 9 7 1 - - 8 0 6 ? 5 2 / x .



521 - / ? , = +
faith, - fifth, - wax = smith colt .
booth, tenth, - tooth / grz - flex .
beholdeth, / buildeth, jbw zany .
1 5 9 g, 7 3 8 process - 4 0 2 6 .
-------------------

522 - / ? , = +
width, - whale, - what .
why, - when, ? whom .
9 6 8 1 4 - 0 7 2 5 3 .
eradicate, portray - 9 .


Ideally, a text that is random and workable for me, is something like this:

(1)
rCdB961gCYat
FTjkDevHNCv8
qauEX8HyEGqo
MMq57qJThyrv
wVBnmW5wVEYk

So you see OC, I do not have "stats" and those sequences you posted have lots of "dashes" and the number practice will be very helpful.


Posted: 2022-02-05 13:33
DD5RK:

There is no instruction, that you must reach 20/15 !
You should only not go under 15 for the character speed!


73
Rüdiger
DD5RK


I read in "Introduction":

"The default speed for new users is 20 WPM characters, 15 WPM effective. "

So 20/15 is the default speed. As far as I remember in the past it was 20/10, with the result that a 95% majority of people quited before reaching lesson 40, and so had reached nothing, because an incomplete character set is useless at any speed.

So I often adviced 20/5 till completed the characterset in an acceptable not demorilising time span, and after that

step 2: repeating lesson 40 with slowly increasing effective speed till 20/10, and the final step

step 3: to lower the character speed and increase the effective speed to 13/13.

Alternative:
step 1: all 40 lessons with 20/5 omitting the step 2 tranforming to 20/10 and

step2: lowering the 20 and increasing the 5 till real morse code 9/9, conform calculations of BrushupCW earlier in this forum.




Posted: 2022-02-05 18:50
BrucerDucer1:
Can you post more of those long lists of "stats"?


Here you go:
http://paste.debian.net/plainh/5b51f9c9

Make sure you save that as the link will expire at one point.

EDIT: also give a look at this:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200124092654/https://old.reddit.com/r/bash/comments/8hmj7x/help_generate_a_text_file_from_a_string/

You can feed the output of the above command straight into a programme called morse, eg:

gen_text "cegjkpsxz2345678+='@-,:;"()" 162 | morse -f `echo $RANDOM % 400 +
500 | bc` -ecTsB -w 15 -n 20


Morse:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/morse/


Posted: 2022-02-06 00:12
That is great OC, and thank you. Good material to work with there.


Posted: 2022-02-06 01:03
Just wanted to add: the "morse" package has a QSO generator, called "QSO" but I'm not happy with that.

One day, I will want to write a proper QSO generator for training purposes, or maybe just improve the existing QSO program.

To give you a hint of QSO's output:

$ QSO
K6OCK de N9FZX
QTH is Duncanville, Vermont.
Your RST is 578/578.
My rig runs 50 watts into a 5 band vertical up 42 meters.
8y67fvgb oops cat on keyboard.
Helen here.
QRK 2
My age is 56.
My occupation is hs student.
I have been an Extra class ham for 2 years.
Are you married?
WX is snow.
Your contest sequence no is 12.
QRZ KA1AXY 28242?
+ %
K6OCK de N9FZX


More QSOs here:

https://termbin.com/ykrr

It'd be nice to have something like that on LCWO.


Posted: 2022-02-06 15:57
Hi,

AC4HF de KJ9U/KH6
My QTH is Lakewood, Georgia.
UR RST 126=126.
Rig is a 25 watt Kenwood TS=440 and antenna is a 10 meter whip.
It is hot/muggy here.
I am mobile, driving home from work.
My name is Amber.
I am a Novice class ham.
Jocks find quartz glyph, vex BMW.
Age is 42.
I work as a corporate liquidator.
+ %
AC4HF de KJ9U/KH6

nice for QSO training.

copy past it in

https://lcwo.net/text2cw

73
Rüdiger
DD5RK


Posted: 2022-02-06 16:40
Thank you OC and DD5RK
The TermBin Website was awsome.
I will use all of these examples for practices. This is very helpful.


Posted: 2022-02-07 15:19
Hey OC, just wanted you to know that I took the statistics list you gave, combined it with other Letters, Numbers, and Punctuation, and got some even further randomized "strings" as they are called. So this was put to good use immediately. Thanks again.


Posted: 2022-02-07 18:38
Bruce, if you're running any sort of *nix (and I believe you can install a Linux subsystem on Windows but I've never tried), creating random text is quite easy. Ask if you need instructions.

The problem here is creating a random QSO that is as close as possible to real on-air QSO.

The "QSO" program goes close but no cigar. I'd have to fork the project and edit the sources here:
https://gitlab.com/esr/morse-classic/-/tree/master/qso.d



Posted: 2022-02-08 15:44
Hi,

there is a QSO trainer in the Internet:

https://morsecode.world/international/trainer/qso.html

73
Rüdiger
DD5RK


Posted: 2022-02-08 23:21
DD5rk, I like this one more:

https://seiuchy.macache.com/

It can work as offline application as well. I need to look at the code and see if I can make a shell script out of that.


Posted: 2022-02-10 00:43
oc:
Bruce, if you're running any sort of *nix (and I believe you can install a Linux subsystem on Windows but I've never tried), creating random text is quite easy. Ask if you need instructions.

The problem here is creating a random QSO that is as close as possible to real on-air QSO.

The "QSO" program goes close but no cigar. I'd have to fork the project and edit the sources here:
https://gitlab.com/esr/morse-classic/-/tree/master/qso.d


OC Thanks. I have a Linux disk to install, but even with the several books I bought and videos online, I am puzzled about how exactly to make Linux work. I have several books about commands and operations, but I had to put it all on hold. I even have at least 2 laptops to run it on and I will probably put Linux on this old PC when I buy a new system in a few months.


Posted: 2022-02-10 01:13
You don't need a full Linux OS. A simple bash or bash-compatible shell should be enough. Back in my day I used MinGW but I think the project is bitrot.

I think WIndows 10 comes with bash but needs to be activated. I haven't used Windows for a while, but I've found this:

https://www.laptopmag.com/uk/articles/use-bash-shell-windows-10

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/4ea4w4/fyi_you_can_run_gui_linux_apps_from_bash/

It's called "Windows subsystem for Linux".

PS: MinGW is still there but it's now called MSYS2:

https://www.msys2.org/

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