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Thread: RECOMMENDATION: Morse Key Feedback Sounds

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Posted: 2021-01-01 14:22
Hi fellows,

Just started to listen and learn Morse this week and it is extremely slow! I know the way to learn is to listen as opposed to memorizing Morse. Anyway, I ordered a Key this week.

What do you recommend to plug the Key into to get feedback dots and dashes to listen? I do not own a radio yet, not even a HAM license yet :)

OVER...


Posted: 2021-01-01 18:59
Hi Sean.

If you have ordered a straight key, you can easily build yourself a buzzer with a 555 timer chip, 9V battery and a small 8ohm speaker.

If you have ordered a paddle, then you need a keyer to make dits and dahs. I have ordered a keyer on eBay for no money with input, output to radio, speaker, speed adjustment and 2 memory buttons for memory storage. Everything in a very small, light box. I sometimes use this with paddles and no radio to train my sending, and other times with my Yaesu 817. The 817 already has an internal keyer, but it is easier to adjust speed on the external unit, and you have the 2 memory buttons at hand.

Congrats on your new key.

I have just ordered my self an Abert Frattini straigth key. A Marconi 213 replica in chrome. It will take him 4-5 months to finish it. I almost can't wait... :p


Posted: 2021-01-01 21:37
As others have suggested a buzzer will work. Or there are many electronic leyers that will do much more including support a paddle at a later date.

But

If you already have a HF radio that is reasonable modern (30 years or so) odds are it has an electronic keyer inside that will allow you to turn off the tx (often called break in) and monitor your own signal.

Then if yo9u like you can plug any chap mic into your PC run FLDIGI and use its CW mode to decode the signal you key.

As the computer is less able to interpret then a human Once you can get FLDIGI to understand you pretty much any human who can read code will be able to do so. So its genrally a good goal to set.


Posted: 2021-01-01 21:40
Hi, it is an iambic paddle, so what type of keyer it is the best for my needs.


Posted: 2021-01-02 12:29
Hi fellows, I am looking for a system that will show the letters and spacing I am keying, so I know that I am being accurate and legible with Morse code.

Thank you


Posted: 2021-01-02 15:55
CQ Serenade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOqe0oouN2s&ab_channel=rpmcanada1971


Posted: 2021-01-02 17:06
Paddle123:
Hi fellows, I am looking for a system that will show the letters and spacing I am keying, so I know that I am being accurate and legible with Morse code.

Thank you


Look for the thread generated feb 2020 in this forum with title Got a paddle. Now I need an oscillator

Look at the thread



Posted: 2021-01-02 17:09
Paddle123:
Hi fellows, I am looking for a system that will show the letters and spacing I am keying, so I know that I am being accurate and legible with Morse code.

Thank you


you can use the side tone of your radio and line in of your computer and fldigi in cw mode.


Posted: 2021-01-02 17:34
Please read his first post. He does not own a radio.

That was why I told him to either buy a keyer with speaker for training, or building one himself. Fairly easy, if it is just a buzzer he needs.

If it is iambic as you write Sean, I would highly recommend buying a Morserino-32. It can handle iambic A/B, and also has a decoder, and loads of other features. It's rather pricey, but you really get alot of features in one very small box.

I have it myself, and it has helped me alot in memorizing words and abbrevs.


Posted: 2021-01-02 18:02
Yes its true, he has no radio.

I did not find the Morserino-32 on Ebay or Amazon in Germany, only on

https://morserinoshop.site44.com/

as a kit.

Sean, if you ever want to decode your keying with a computer SW, the electronic keyer should have a pure sinus output.

73
Rüdiger
DD5RK


Posted: 2021-01-02 19:20
Hi fellows, what do you think of this product?

https://mfjenterprises.com/collections/cw/products/mfj-414


Posted: 2021-01-02 20:47
Paddle123:
Hi fellows, what do you think of this product?

https://mfjenterprises.com/collections/cw/products/mfj-414


I have no experience with this device.

Learning Morse code is a quite time consuming thing. So I made the license first in 2019 and started Morse code training in Jan. 2020. I really underestimated the time that is necessary to learn.

If you make the license you will buy a radio, that is sure. But than the mfj decoder will be superfluous.

Of course you want to play with your new keyer. I don't know, how much you can or want to afford.
Perhaps a solution could be a affordable radio with build in keyer, eg.

https://www.radioddity.com/products/xiegu-g90-hf-transceiver

It costs 425$ and has a build in iambic keyer and it works fine for CW and SSB.

HNY
73
Rüdiger
DD5RK



Posted: 2021-01-02 21:10

If you don't mind kits . .

https://qrpguys.com/qrpguys-code-trainer

https://www.eham.net/reviews/view-product?id=13590

They sell some transcievers too . . .


Posted: 2021-01-03 12:21
For your interest, I came across the following book:

MFJ-3400, BOOK, THE MORSE CODE BOOK

https://mfjenterprises.com/products/mfj-3400

By Ham radio operator and avid CW enthusiast David Finley, N1IRZ. This is the first Morse Code book to detail the Koch method and emphasize the training techniques that are the fastest and most effective for code proficiency. The author explains how, using Ludwig Kochs training method, prospective hams can quickly grasp code teachings and pass the FCC exams faster. The author, once frustrated over the code-learning process discovered this simple method and used it to overcome the barrier and upgrade to extra class.


Posted: 2021-01-03 16:04
Paddle,

In the very near future there might be a pill. I am pretty sure they will be offered for US$29,99 money back guaranteed, When you swallow it, they promise that you will instantly copy Morse code at any speed. The disclaimer yields the error rate at 99%

There are a lot of educational advices to reach your goal. the best are free of charge. like this website.
According to the general accepted rule that best things in life are free.

When you do want to read a book read for free
The Art and Skill of Radio-Telegraphy' by N0HFF

That it is free is due to people that love the code, because of radio history, simple homebuilding equipment equipment without computer; no traceble BCI or TVI or sexplay-equipment interference when you are transmitting during neighbours intercourse. Also due to preppers and backpackers that carry a QRP transceiver like the QCX or whatever. The fraternity like feeling a binding with people that did it, and could not buy it for $29.99

So I spent my time for this advice for free, use this website, get advices here from professionals in educational methods, ex-prof telegraph ers, high speed telegraphers and my humble by the moderaror moderated (==erased) advices and motivated just for free.



Posted: 2021-01-03 20:23
Hi Sean,

if you want to learn Morse code start. You are still on lesson 1. Make a lesson per day.

It is a hard way, about 5-10 % who start get to lesson 40 and 1-5% get on air sometimes.

All people how want to learn something dream from shortcuts. They don't exit.

;-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Funnel
;-)

free literature:

The Learning of Radiotelegraphic Code
Author(s): Donald W. Taylor

The Art and Skill of Radio-Telegraphy
William G. Pierpont N0HFF

The Road to CW
de W4ALF – Christian Bravo

ZEN AND THE ART OF RADIOTELEGRAPHY
Carlo Consoli, IK0YGJ

Best is the original work of Koch, but don't exit in English.


73
Rüdiger
DD5RK





Posted: 2021-01-03 20:39
Hola Sean.

Sin equipo, sin manipulador, sin licencia, sin conocimientos.

Opino deberias leer las opiniones que te dan en este foro, seguramente te serviran para aprender el codigo adecuadamente.

Suerte con tu aprendizaje, yo continuo con el mio.


Posted: 2021-01-03 20:49
Jeje Andrés, creo que tienes que escribirle en inglés al pobre. Si intenta saltársela para aprender CW, no creo que va a aprenderse el español tampoco, porque le resultará más difícil aún... Pienso yo :)


Posted: 2021-01-04 01:01
Hi again Sean.

I am still so new in CW (started 2 years ago), that I still clearly remember how all my ideas and beliefs about CW was when I started my training. Nothing is like you may think.

-I thought sending would be the hardest part - wrong. Receiving is the nut to break. Sending is actually quite easy, when you have learned the sound of the characters.

-I thought I just needed to learn all characters, and then I would be able to listen and send CW - wrong - learning the characters, I'm sorry to say, is the easy part. The real challenge comes with speed.

After more than 1 year of daily practise, I was still not able to understand CW on air.

But I'm 100% sure that you will be able to accomplish what I did, by following the lessons here, and all the good advices given by all the very talented CW operators here in this wonderful forum.

Good luck Sean.

PS: I'm nowhere near the end, and I have learned that CW training doesn't have an end goal. You have to set goals for yourself all the time, but you will never be done... :)


Posted: 2021-01-20 16:25
Hello,
I just had a cheap and cheerful idea!
Take the speaker out of your computer and run the speaker wire in series with a speaker and your keyer.
Use an online tone generator.

All the best.


Posted: 2021-01-20 17:45

A cheap way is to use an old phone type handset with the earpiece pointing at the mouthpiece, both in series with a small battery and your keyer.

It will howl during keydown due to the feedback . . .

cb


Posted: 2021-01-21 19:42
cb:
A cheap way is to use an old phone type handset with the earpiece pointing at the mouthpiece, both in series with a small battery and your keyer.

It will howl during keydown due to the feedback . . .

cb


Clever idea, but can you adjust the pitch, which is very important as you advocate in your posts?



Posted: 2021-01-22 11:06
test:
Clever idea, but can you adjust the pitch, which is very important as you advocate in your posts?



I think you may be well advised to check a few audio frequencies, if you are proceeding along slowly, in case your ears don't have a flat response.

YMMV

To do this with a phone feedback oscillator you need something to resonate, eg a drain pipe speaker resonator, which I also recommend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF8bk6958Hg

Maybe you can test it ?


cb

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