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Thread: [Request] Extend delayed start to Plain Text Training

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Posted: 2019-03-20 12:15
From changelog:
* Honor the "delayed start" setting also for callsign and word training.

Can we have this for the Plain Text Training, too, please?


Posted: 2019-03-21 13:53
Ottavio,

I really do not see the problem,

1. put your mouse pointer on 'play'

2. when you are writing with ur right hand put left hand on mouse, in the position "start playing" do not press yet

3. take your pen in your right hand and your pen on paper (forget about a keyboard, it is really an enormous error when you need a keyboard for copying Morse code, write it or later on listen only and copy in your head. Value of Morse proficiency in disasters is diminished when you need a keyboard to decode it)

4. Wait the waiting time in that position, that you prefer.

5. push with your left hand the positioned mouse pointer and start writing with your right hand the received and decoded Morse code on paper (or with your finger on wet sand, or with blood on the wall, or with ur finger on a foggy window)

When you really want to use your keyboard, remember it is plain text, so you easily can edit a missed character at the start, above that a repeat function shows you the code again.

Conclusion a leading delay selection does not serve a sensible purpose. (Must be bad english, sri)


Posted: 2019-04-10 15:47
I would like to see a delay added for Plain Text Training as well, please. Even two seconds would be welcome.

> forget about a keyboard, it is really an enormous error when you need a keyboard for copying Morse code

I feel this should be stated somewhere. I've only started 13wpm training, and have been using the keyboard to type my copy. When I went to using pen and paper, my copy slowed down dramatically.

Thank you for mentioning this. I will start over.





Posted: 2019-04-11 15:29
LarryFine:
I would like to see a delay added for Plain Text Training as well, please. Even two seconds would be welcome.




Hi LarryFine, in the scores list I noticed you did not even one exercise Plain Text Training.

So my suggestion is: Try the suggestion of nonavegetarian first,

otherwise you are alike a Ford driver commenting a Chevrolet for something while not even made a test drive in it, and suggest the automobile factory to change it.



Posted: 2019-04-11 20:09
Ottavio:
From changelog:
* Honor the "delayed start" setting also for callsign and word training.

Can we have this for the Plain Text Training, too, please?



What it really needs is a custom countdown before all of the exercises,

. . . so eg.

people who can't use both hands easily have time to move things around on the desk . . .

I recommend that the countdown is in morse digits to give extra number practice. . .

YMMV

cb




Posted: 2019-04-11 20:13
LarryFine:


> forget about a keyboard, it is really an enormous error when you need a keyboard for copying Morse code

I feel this should be stated somewhere. I've only started 13wpm training, and have been using the keyboard to type my copy. When I went to using pen and paper, my copy slowed down dramatically.

Thank you for mentioning this. I will start over.


You can use the keyboard if you can already touch type
BUT
you need to avoid learning JUST a link between the morse character and the key-press
else
you will get through all the lessons
but
then have to use the keyboard for (quite) some time until you practice enough to "hear" the letter etc in your mind when you hear the morse in your ear.


cb




Posted: 2020-04-11 21:27
I would like to reiterate my request for a small delay when starting the Plain Text exercise. It's virtually impossible to start typing right after pressing the "Play" button. Thanks.


Posted: 2020-04-11 23:53
Listen to Chris and Nonagenarian they have the skills and lots of history.

I struggle with code more than I like, an don't touch type - but years back made the mistake of trying to improve both - I found I was typing as if I was hit with a cattle prod for each character. My accuracy was good, but I was tense mentally and physically. I had no idea what I copied until I reread it. Since I'm learning for ham radio I want it to be conversational and enjoyable - if you're learning for commercial, military, or to try to set some record thats a different story.

If I were going to type - I'd be asking for the opposite of your request ;-))

I'd ask that the text box be grayed out and not accept typing until a configurable number of characters were sent. This would train your mental buffer, move you to head copy faster, and let your typing be smooth instead of the cattle prod approach.

For reason mentioned (while learning) I'll stick with printing and head copy (as my head cooperates). I find I do better and am more relaxed if I'm not drive to get the char recorded in a split second of it completion.

Just my 2 cents
YMMV (but bad learning habits are hard to undo)

Good luck - we all learn differently.
73 wa2nfn



Posted: 2020-04-12 11:21
wa2nfn:


If I were going to type - I'd be asking for the opposite of your request ;-))

I'd ask that the text box be grayed out and not accept typing until a configurable number of characters were sent. This would train your mental buffer, move you to head copy faster, and let your typing be smooth instead of the cattle prod approach.



This would be ok if/when I reach that point when I can both:

a) "copy behind", and:
b) be very, very good at touch typing.

For the rest of us, who are mediocre at either, having no delay makes things discouraging.

If site is aimed at teaching morse code to beginners, this is not good.


Posted: 2020-04-12 17:26
oc:

If site is aimed at teaching morse code to beginners, this is not good.



oc, you have a point. But
copying behind is essential in Morse code. You do it even when you copy with 10 wpm, because letterspace is in that case only 0,25 second.

You can't decode a character and type it out within 0.25 s, due to your natural reaction time which is probably at least 0.5 second. So next character is already started or completed in case it is an E when you actually type out the completed character.

It should be best when you exercise code (or plain text) in groups of two ch ar ac te rs to exercise that.



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