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Posted: 2018-02-07 16:48
Hi
I'm trying hard, on my 5th lesson and making progress, but I have real trouble to go 5 wpm at character speed 20. I have always kept to that C speed as it makes sense to learn the sound. Should I continue onto higher lessons at 4 to 5 wpm?
I am learning the sound, but I haven't seen the print form of the letters like ... or ---. Should I have a note pad of the letters to visually see the letters?


Posted: 2018-02-07 18:46
I started at 20/10, then up to 30/8, and all around. I was having the most frustrating time. I have finally settled on 25/4 and am much happier. I figure I will at least finish this way, and then can speed up to 25/10 or something. I figure it is more important to stay encouraged and finish then to go fast. FYI, here are all my lessons I have done so far. You will see a lot more tests in the lower lessons. I have learned that I should do a LOT more 'Morse Machine' before doing the lessons tests.

Lesson char. speed eff. speed Accuracy (%) Date/Time Delete
20 25 4 94.3 2018-02-07 18:39
20 25 4 86.5 2018-02-07 18:36
19 25 4 81.6 2018-02-07 03:34
19 25 4 91.5 2018-02-06 03:14
19 25 4 84.7 2018-02-06 02:23
19 25 4 89.5 2018-02-05 22:55
19 25 4 91.7 2018-02-05 22:50
19 25 4 87.2 2018-02-05 22:47
19 25 4 83.4 2018-02-05 22:43
19 25 4 94.6 2018-02-05 22:38
19 25 4 84.3 2018-02-05 22:34
19 25 4 89.5 2018-02-04 17:56
19 25 4 79.5 2018-02-04 16:24
18 25 4 91.2 2018-02-02 03:33
18 25 4 89.8 2018-02-02 03:30
17 25 4 97.5 2018-01-29 02:38
16 25 4 91.7 2018-01-26 03:10
16 25 4 76.5 2018-01-23 04:25
16 25 4 84.3 2018-01-22 19:49
16 25 4 70 2018-01-21 22:03
16 25 4 81.6 2018-01-21 22:01
16 25 4 82.9 2018-01-21 17:20
16 25 4 89.5 2018-01-16 21:47
15 25 4 97.3 2018-01-16 00:59
15 30 4 52.5 2018-01-15 01:02
15 30 4 64.9 2018-01-14 20:13
15 30 4 73.6 2018-01-14 18:20
14 25 4 97.5 2018-01-14 02:53
14 25 5 77.8 2018-01-14 02:49
14 30 5 68.9 2018-01-14 02:28
14 25 5 83 2018-01-13 19:09
14 25 5 87 2018-01-13 18:45
14 25 5 91.2 2018-01-13 15:26
14 30 5 68.8 2018-01-12 05:50
14 30 5 76 2018-01-12 05:09
14 25 5 83 2018-01-11 05:24
14 25 5 87.5 2018-01-11 05:06
13 25 5 94 2018-01-10 17:10
12 25 5 98 2018-01-09 22:48
12 25 5 89.8 2018-01-09 04:49
12 25 5 89.4 2018-01-08 00:05
11 25 5 85.5 2018-01-07 21:44
11 25 5 87.5 2018-01-07 21:35
11 25 5 85.8 2018-01-07 21:32
11 30 4 60 2018-01-07 03:46
11 30 4 69.3 2018-01-07 03:39
11 30 4 86.5 2018-01-07 01:11
11 30 4 77.5 2018-01-07 01:10
11 25 5 69.6 2018-01-07 01:08
11 25 5 87.5 2018-01-07 01:03
11 25 5 93.9 2018-01-07 00:35
11 25 5 81.3 2018-01-06 22:38
11 25 5 81.3 2018-01-06 22:35
11 25 5 80.9 2018-01-06 04:57
11 25 5 78 2018-01-06 04:52
11 30 5 64 2018-01-04 05:14
11 25 5 81.7 2018-01-04 05:10
11 25 5 87.3 2018-01-04 05:08
11 25 5 85.5 2018-01-04 05:03
11 25 5 80 2018-01-03 05:09
11 25 5 74 2018-01-03 04:56
11 25 5 63.9 2018-01-03 04:52
11 25 5 78 2018-01-03 04:30
11 25 5 76.6 2018-01-02 20:24
10 25 5 92 2018-01-01 23:06
10 25 5 95.9 2018-01-01 23:04
10 25 5 77.1 2018-01-01 22:58
10 25 5 89.8 2018-01-01 22:50
10 25 5 81.7 2018-01-01 22:43
10 25 5 77.1 2018-01-01 22:30
10 25 5 91.7 2018-01-01 22:21
10 25 5 93.7 2018-01-01 20:36
10 25 5 87.8 2018-01-01 16:41
10 25 5 85.8 2018-01-01 16:38
10 25 5 85.2 2018-01-01 16:36
10 25 5 80 2018-01-01 06:24
10 25 5 88 2018-01-01 06:22
10 25 5 75 2018-01-01 06:21
10 25 5 93.9 2017-12-31 23:02
10 25 5 93.4 2017-12-31 23:01
10 25 5 80.9 2017-12-31 22:59
9 25 5 96 2017-12-31 03:55
9 25 5 87.5 2017-12-31 03:53
9 25 5 84 2017-12-30 05:26
9 25 5 87.8 2017-12-30 05:24
9 25 5 94 2017-12-30 05:20
9 25 5 85.5 2017-12-30 05:18
9 25 5 93.7 2017-12-30 05:16
9 25 5 89.8 2017-12-30 05:15
9 25 5 81.7 2017-12-30 03:49
9 25 5 12.8 2017-12-30 03:47
9 25 5 87.3 2017-12-30 03:47
9 25 5 89.4 2017-12-30 03:38
9 25 5 82 2017-12-30 03:32
9 25 5 91.9 2017-12-30 03:28
9 25 5 80 2017-12-30 03:26
9 25 5 96 2017-12-30 02:58
9 25 5 88 2017-12-30 01:54
9 25 5 88 2017-12-30 01:50
8 25 5 93.5 2017-12-30 01:44
8 25 5 93.8 2017-12-30 01:41
8 25 5 82.3 2017-12-29 16:29
8 25 5 95.9 2017-12-29 16:18
8 25 5 71.5 2017-12-29 16:16
8 25 5 94 2017-12-28 16:45
8 25 5 78.8 2017-12-28 16:43
8 25 5 96 2017-12-28 16:37
8 25 5 80.5 2017-12-27 03:21
8 25 5 90 2017-12-27 02:00
8 25 5 91.2 2017-12-27 01:09
8 25 5 87.8 2017-12-27 01:01
8 25 5 91.9 2017-12-27 00:51
8 25 5 79.2 2017-12-27 00:50
8 25 5 86 2017-12-27 00:35
8 25 5 83.7 2017-12-27 00:30
8 25 5 78.3 2017-12-27 00:20
8 25 5 85.5 2017-12-27 00:00
8 25 5 78.8 2017-12-26 18:42
8 25 5 82.3 2017-12-26 16:33
8 25 5 87.5 2017-12-26 16:19
7 25 5 80.9 2017-12-26 04:48
7 25 5 96 2017-12-26 04:46
7 25 5 91.5 2017-12-26 04:38
7 25 5 89.6 2017-12-26 04:35
7 25 5 89.8 2017-12-26 04:34
7 25 5 97.9 2017-12-26 04:32
7 25 5 81.3 2017-12-26 03:42
7 25 5 87 2017-12-26 03:16
7 25 5 91.5 2017-12-26 00:20
7 25 5 72 2017-12-26 00:18
7 25 5 91.7 2017-12-26 00:02
7 25 5 79.6 2017-12-25 18:51
7 25 5 80.5 2017-12-25 18:23
7 25 5 76.6 2017-12-25 18:21
7 25 5 84 2017-12-25 18:19
7 25 5 71.5 2017-12-25 17:11
7 25 5 91.4 2017-12-25 17:09
7 25 5 76 2017-12-25 17:01
7 25 5 85.5 2017-12-25 01:18
7 25 5 77.1 2017-12-25 01:17
7 25 5 80 2017-12-25 01:15
7 25 5 78.8 2017-12-24 21:03
7 25 5 70.9 2017-12-24 21:02
7 25 5 87.3 2017-12-24 21:00
7 25 5 80.9 2017-12-24 20:58
7 25 5 74 2017-12-24 20:56
7 25 5 89.8 2017-12-24 17:21
7 25 5 76.1 2017-12-24 17:20
7 25 5 88.9 2017-12-24 17:18
7 25 5 70 2017-12-24 17:16
7 25 5 74.5 2017-12-24 16:01
7 25 5 79.2 2017-12-24 15:58
7 25 5 87 2017-12-24 15:57
7 25 5 76.6 2017-12-24 15:56
7 25 5 71.2 2017-12-24 15:54
7 25 5 79.6 2017-12-24 15:49
7 25 5 86.7 2017-12-24 15:47
7 25 5 75.6 2017-12-24 15:45
7 25 5 76.1 2017-12-24 15:44
7 25 5 80 2017-12-24 15:41
7 25 5 72 2017-12-24 04:13
7 25 5 70 2017-12-24 03:57
6 25 5 93.2 2017-12-24 00:24
6 25 5 93.9 2017-12-24 00:18
6 25 5 78.3 2017-12-24 00:17
6 25 5 76.6 2017-12-24 00:15
6 25 5 89.4 2017-12-24 00:03
6 25 5 82 2017-12-24 00:00
6 25 5 91.9 2017-12-23 18:39
6 25 5 89.4 2017-12-23 05:52
6 25 5 68.1 2017-12-23 05:50
6 25 5 90 2017-12-23 05:48
6 25 5 92 2017-12-23 02:13
6 25 5 85.2 2017-12-23 02:03
6 25 5 84 2017-12-23 01:43
6 25 5 91.2 2017-12-23 01:39
6 25 5 83.4 2017-12-23 01:36
6 25 5 79.6 2017-12-22 19:57
6 25 5 72 2017-12-22 17:57
6 25 5 68 2017-12-22 17:56
6 25 5 85.2 2017-12-22 16:47
5 25 5 96 2017-12-22 16:13
5 25 5 95.7 2017-12-22 16:10
5 25 5 81.3 2017-12-22 16:08
5 25 5 100 2017-12-22 15:58
5 25 5 85.3 2017-12-22 05:24
5 25 5 93.4 2017-12-22 05:16
5 25 5 80.5 2017-12-22 05:15
5 25 5 84.5 2017-12-22 03:56
5 25 5 79.6 2017-12-22 03:33
5 25 5 93.7 2017-12-22 03:29
5 25 5 79.2 2017-12-22 03:28
5 25 5 83 2017-12-22 03:17
5 25 5 74.5 2017-12-22 03:16
5 25 5 82 2017-12-22 03:05
5 25 5 87.3 2017-12-22 02:28
5 25 5 87.8 2017-12-22 01:14
5 25 5 88 2017-12-22 01:13
5 25 5 94 2017-12-22 01:09
5 25 5 78 2017-12-22 01:08
5 25 5 91.4 2017-12-22 01:06
5 25 5 86 2017-12-22 00:53
5 25 5 85.5 2017-12-22 00:51
5 25 5 83 2017-12-22 00:49
5 25 5 84 2017-12-22 00:08
5 25 5 85.5 2017-12-21 23:50
5 25 5 78 2017-12-21 23:48
5 25 5 72 2017-12-21 19:22
5 25 5 70 2017-12-21 19:19
5 25 5 66 2017-12-21 19:17
5 25 5 83.4 2017-12-21 19:11
1 25 5 100 2017-12-21 18:34
4 25 5 93.9 2017-12-21 18:27
4 25 5 88.7 2017-12-21 18:22
4 25 5 96 2017-12-21 18:15
4 25 5 91 2017-12-21 18:14
4 25 5 88 2017-12-21 18:12
4 25 5 83.4 2017-12-21 18:11
4 25 5 95.5 2017-12-21 16:58
4 25 5 91.7 2017-12-21 16:49
4 25 5 87.3 2017-12-21 16:40
4 25 5 91.9 2017-12-21 16:20
4 25 5 88 2017-12-21 16:14
4 25 5 86 2017-12-21 05:31
3 25 5 92.3 2017-12-21 05:17
3 25 5 89.8 2017-12-21 01:59
4 25 5 77.6 2017-12-21 01:56
3 30 5 87.8 2017-12-21 01:52
3 30 5 92 2017-12-21 01:44
3 30 5 86 2017-12-21 01:41
3 30 5 88 2017-12-21 01:39
3 30 5 86 2017-12-21 01:24
3 30 5 85.2 2017-12-21 01:18
3 30 5 76 2017-12-21 01:03
3 30 5 98 2017-12-21 00:54
3 30 5 87.8 2017-12-20 19:12
3 30 5 76 2017-12-20 19:11
3 30 5 83.4 2017-12-20 19:08
3 30 5 95.7 2017-12-20 19:05
3 30 5 95.9 2017-12-20 19:03
3 30 5 92 2017-12-20 19:01
3 30 5 78.8 2017-12-20 18:58
3 30 5 81.3 2017-12-20 18:56
3 30 5 83.7 2017-12-20 18:54
3 30 5 91.7 2017-12-20 18:51
3 30 5 84.1 2017-12-20 18:48
3 30 5 68.9 2017-12-20 18:47
3 30 5 79.2 2017-12-20 18:45
3 30 5 81.7 2017-12-20 18:44
3 30 5 84.1 2017-12-20 18:42
3 30 5 84.5 2017-12-20 18:41
3 30 5 92 2017-12-20 18:39
3 30 5 74 2017-12-20 17:44
3 30 5 91.4 2017-12-20 17:35
3 30 5 74.5 2017-12-20 17:27
3 30 5 82.3 2017-12-20 17:03
3 30 5 77.6 2017-12-20 17:01
3 30 5 75 2017-12-20 17:00
3 30 5 78 2017-12-20 16:54
3 30 5 60 2017-12-20 05:57
3 30 5 88.9 2017-12-20 05:51
3 30 5 91.7 2017-12-20 05:40
3 30 5 88 2017-12-20 04:52
3 30 5 74 2017-12-20 04:50
3 30 5 79.6 2017-12-20 02:12
3 30 5 88.7 2017-12-20 02:10
3 30 5 82 2017-12-20 02:08
3 25 6 72.8 2017-12-20 01:44
3 25 6 78.9 2017-12-20 01:42
3 25 6 18.2 2017-12-20 01:35
3 25 6 81.5 2017-12-20 01:32
3 25 6 79.7 2017-12-20 01:27
3 25 6 73.3 2017-12-20 01:13
2 25 6 85.2 2017-12-20 01:11
2 30 6 91.6 2017-12-19 18:17
2 25 6 96.4 2017-12-19 18:15
2 25 6 96.3 2017-12-19 18:13
2 25 6 98.1 2017-12-19 18:12
2 25 6 92.4 2017-12-19 18:10
3 25 6 58.2 2017-12-19 16:50
3 25 6 52.8 2017-12-19 16:48
3 25 6 73.3 2017-12-19 16:47
3 25 6 91 2017-12-19 16:08
3 25 6 75.5 2017-12-19 16:06
3 30 6 51 2017-12-19 02:44
3 30 6 23.7 2017-12-18 17:22
3 30 6 31 2017-12-17 06:13
3 30 6 24.2 2017-12-17 06:00
3 30 6 62.1 2017-12-15 05:41
2 30 6 98.2 2017-12-15 04:31
2 30 6 91.6 2017-12-15 04:30
2 30 6 84 2017-12-15 04:27
2 30 6 94.7 2017-12-14 04:53
2 30 5 93.8 2017-12-14 04:51
2 30 5 91.4 2017-12-14 04:50
2 30 8 80 2017-12-14 04:41
2 30 8 84.1 2017-12-14 04:39
2 30 8 51.5 2017-12-14 04:38
2 30 8 73.6 2017-12-14 04:21
2 30 8 75 2017-12-13 05:10
2 30 8 83.6 2017-12-13 04:48
2 30 8 48.6 2017-12-13 04:46
2 30 8 67.7 2017-12-13 04:43
2 25 7 65.6 2017-12-12 05:23
2 30 10 29.2 2017-12-12 05:22
2 30 10 60.3 2017-12-12 05:21
2 30 10 57.5 2017-12-12 05:15
1 30 8 92.6 2017-12-10 16:45
2 30 8 74.7 2017-12-10 16:42
2 30 10 21.3 2017-12-10 16:40
2 30 10 31.7 2017-12-10 16:24
1 30 10 93.8 2017-12-10 16:22
1 30 10 89.7 2017-12-10 05:38
1 30 10 80.6 2017-12-10 05:35
1 30 10 93.6 2017-12-10 05:32
1 30 10 33.4 2017-12-10 05:29
1 30 10 77.7 2017-12-10 05:28
1 30 10 88 2017-12-10 05:27
1 30 10 89.4 2017-12-10 04:53
2 20 10 51.7 2017-12-10 04:31
2 20 10 58.5 2017-12-10 03:15
2 20 10 71.7 2017-12-10 03:05
1 20 10 93.9 2017-12-10 02:32
1 20 10 0 2017-12-10 02:30
1 20 10 100 2017-12-08 18:51
1 20 10 96.9 2017-12-08 18:22
1 20 10 89.3 2017-12-08 18:20
1 20 10 100 2017-12-08 16:39
1 20 10 54 2017-12-08 16:38
1 20 10 93.7 2017-12-08 16:37
1 20 10 96.9 2017-12-08 14:23
1 20 10 60.3 2017-12-08 14:18


Posted: 2018-02-07 18:57
no visualising, prevent that, just direct conversion from sound to
writing down. Lowering speed from 20/5 to 20/4 will make your progress faster, but try to proceed to next lesson when you score 90% or higher correct at20/5 preferably.


Posted: 2018-02-07 19:20
Hello,

do yourself a favour and try effective speeds (no Farnsworth).
Let us know what true speed you can copy

GL


Posted: 2018-02-08 19:59
Use 4/4 (or 3/3) with a subset of characters.

Do you really think he (m/f) does himself a favour?

Historically novice licenses in the usa were granted to 5/5 proficiency. When you know the details of the results of a whole population, including the results of maturing their proficiency, there was clearly an offset, that may be used as proof of the fact that that method was wrong


Posted: 2018-02-08 20:58
You're doing really well. Keep at it. I had a problem early on where I was still able to count the dits at 20/5. I changed the settings to 35/2 and started the lessons over. This was finally fast enough I was forced to hear each character as an entire group, instead of as individual dits and dahs. It took a few months of daily practice to get to 95%+ on lesson 40.

Next, I slowly decreased character speed while I increased overall speed (while still doing lesson 40). I eventually achieved a full 12wpm speed and moved away from mixed character practice. There was a big change once I got past the lessons and on to plaintext, word, and callsign training at a full 12wpm speed. That's when on-air copy got much easier for me, and I experienced a burst in capability.

I can now do 15wpm full speed (comfortably), and I'm well on my way to mastering 18wpm full speed. Of course, I can copy much faster (35+wpm full speed), but not with ease. What this practically means for me is that when contesting I can do 30+wpm. When rag-chewing I can do about 15wpm.

Ditto to what others have said. Do not visualize anything. You hear it. I am a visual learner, which is probably why I had such a hard time learning the code. Think of an entire character as a single musical note. Mastery is achieved when you know exactly which 'note' is being played. Ask any musician... that takes lots of practice! I like to work CW with my eyes closed so I'm not distracted by items in my visual field.


Posted: 2018-02-09 18:22
Great replys,,To be honest I think out of my learning curve,I will have to progress up the lessons at 20/5 and I hope that at some point I will be able to speed up.Funny thing, I heard an id'er and my mind went into decipher mode,I think thats a good thing.
Also I hear an id'er at 28.245 it repeats a call sign, but so slow it takes away from the natural quicker note. makes you want to start counting. wrong!

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