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Posted: 2014-05-07 02:28
I find it interesting that is easer to copy by writing it down, rather than copy in my head. If I do not think about it and just write down what I hear. It is not so bad. Copying it in my head, I seem to over think it a bit. It is death to think about the dits and das. What will I do when I get to a speed that I can no longer write it down.


Posted: 2014-05-08 18:29
I happen to be re-reading The Art & Skill of Radio Telegraphy by William G. Pierpont N0HFF last night. In Chapter 30 he talks about the history of learning morse code and the Chandler System, developed in 1911. The brief snip it from the Chandler System that I'm quoting doesn't directly involve morse code, but the drill is intended to help develop copy-behind skills. It might be of interest to you. I haven't tried it myself as I still have 11 more lessons to go on LCWO, but I think I will try this sometime down the road. Perhaps you've already heard of this drill. I would be interested to hear from anyone that has tried something like this. Does it help develop copy-behind skills?

http://www.tasrt.ca/TASRT/c30.htm

Begin using the "two-column drill" where you set up two parallel columns of three or four letter words, each having the same number of letters; then go down the columns spelling the word in the first column out loud while simultaneously writing down the other. Then do the same, reversing the columns. These are the first easy drills on learning to copy a word or two behind.

Mike
W9MIC
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Posted: 2014-05-08 20:01
When you start learning to copy Morse code you pass:

Phase 1: Jot down characters and preferably cover with your left hand thumb what you copied already, in order to prevent thinking what will be coming, because when it is different from what you expected you are on "tilt"

Phase2: You recognise cq qth name rst 599, wx pwr, ant pse k kn qsl qsb qrm sk cuagn gn ga om yl 88 73 and you can make a QSO, because call, name and qth are repeated twice and at lower speed.

phase 3: When copying on paper you become able to listen to the characters and often occuring character sequences so that you can read words, you will notice that just listening to decode will be easier then listening combined with writing. So you don't hear separate characters but you read words, and jot them down (when you like).

You don't copy characters but you _read_ the words, (that is something else as recognising whole words) and as such are able to write words, just as listening to a slow speaking person.

When I say write "peanuts" you write it because you know the word, it does not require separate thinking about sequence, characters and so on. When writing you even can decode the next word, but in that phase you will recognise that decoding in your mind is easier then decoding and writing while decoding the next word.

Somewhere else on this forum you got the excellent advice to listen to words from lesson 9 upwards in the WORD chapter of this website. Limit the size to 3 of 4 characters and listen, try to copy in your head, repeat the word till you are succesfull, repeat another four times the same word to read while you know it already.

55 (Viele Punkten)



Posted: 2014-05-08 21:48
Until you master all characters, at about18-20 wpm, or higher, don't bother about head copy, as it distracts your attention from learning the characters. Some guys over the net praise this head copy very much but I think they rather reffer to standard QSO expressions, and would not be able to head copy 50% of a 5 minutes plain text from medical literature at first audition. While 3-5 letter words may come easy, an unknown 10 letter word won't.
Also they may have forgotten that first, they learned the right way and at a certain time through routine, observed they can head copy.
The higher you go with the speed in your "hear-write" training, the easier will you be able to hear short words. Head copy can't be a target at this learning stage but it will be a by-product of the learning process, and if you regularly train, it will come with time. You will know when the time is right to specifically train for words.
About what are you going to do when your receiving speed will be higher than your writing speed, I think you should first, reach that speed. For me, I already observe having problems with this at 25wpm but I think training, and simplified characters, will bring the things higher.


Posted: 2014-05-09 19:42
yo5crr

My principle is always: exercise what you want to learn.

So jot down with an easy gliding pen in long hand small characters your decoded code, when you want - to check your performance on this website, or
- when you want to participate in a ham fest proficiency run, or
- in the past the passing of the license requirements examination, or
- for the first series of QSO's that you will need paper and pen.

Imagine you can't decode other then characters, without thinking about meaning, because tn that case you are easily derailed. Consequence is that when the QSO partner sents his text and finally pse kn, that you have to read fast what he sent, that will be the only moment that you got the meaning of his message, after decoding only separate characters.

Fine for the first series of QSO's.

After that you get recognition of the rubber stamp CW abbreviations text, only filling out call name and QTH in your log.

But after a while some people not interested in
pile ups and dx hunting, start the real art of CW, and that is a complete conversation, just like the text I am writing down here.

When you want running contests: exercise with Morse Runner and with rufzxp.net, don't bother about head copy and plain text. (such as: fucking stupid pig UP UP, directions of the band police)

When you want to communicate with other people, called rag chewing, exercise with plain text.

You are registered at this website at 46 wpm words. So I expect you listen to the offered word in word exercises, and you type it in _after_ listening and decoding in your mind the complete word.

At least that is what I am doing on this web site at 50 wpm constant speed.
My goal is to stop exercising at this web site the first time I increase my max score at this 50 wpm speed. That's it.

When I listen to plain text at 40 wpm, not being CW abbreviations, I just can follow it and understand it. Has nothing to do with exceptional words related to a profession. Just plain language, may be long words such as 'immediately' , 'perseverance', 'essential' and like those. It turns out to be easier compared with separate random played words, because you are missing meaning in that case.

When text is: " the man drinks his beer" I don't hesitate that the word was beer , not deer, so its easier to decode words in sentences, compared with isolated words.

And of course it is easier to decode words then series of unrelated random characters, as call signs partially are, and certainly in the suffix.

So I think it is a good idea to start decoding words, first short and after that longer with the subset of words you master starting from lesson 9.
and generated by the word exercise chapter of this website.

I got my performance that way, but I learned also from contribuants on this web site that people learn different. So It works for me, but I can't guarantee it will work for other people.


Posted: 2014-05-13 21:24
@ pd0ldb
As you adress me, thank you for your advice. I know I need to head copy, I also do this. We had a conversation on this on " how long is the road" thread.
I started only when I was able to copy on paper at 20 random mixed groups. To me, feels now easy to train words at 30 or 40wpm as I don't have any doubt with characters. therefore, my advice for Badger.
As I could see Badger-Lynn, needs to first learn the characters.
I understand what you say about starting with words at lesson 9, as supplemental work to the lessons.
What I said, was that there are plenty of opinions on the net concerning head copy, some of them confusing, so I think one shouldn't bother much with that at the beginning.
As a communication mean, one must first of all, be able to copy what he/she hears, at a decent speed. otherwise would be useless. In relative short time, I observed I can get short words without specifically training for that. Then I started head copy training.
In the end as you say, depends on what will you use this knowledge for.


Posted: 2014-05-15 15:09
When you get to speed where you can no longer write it down, you probably should use a keyboard. At some point you will also most likely begin to copy in your head.

I would recommend you use a keyboard now. It adds another layer of things you have to master if you don't touch type well, but that is easily overcome with practice.

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